How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

It appears to me that since Cummings has left No 10 Johnson is showing some interest in climate change and animal welfare. Perhaps Carrie's influence? Does this mean that there is a tiny little part of him that regrets some of what is happening but he cannot bring himself to admit any doubt?

As we know from Leavers who have changed their minds, it is the hardest thing to admit that one has made the wrong decision. So the bluff and bluster and Latin quotations continues.

Many of the scientists that my DD works with have left the U.K. and gone to the eu to work with their company.

We weren't controlled by the EU WE voted for the rules and laws "imposed" by the EU ......ALL 5% OF THEM .
WM has 80% control of Scottish affairs ,now THATS a reason for taking back the sovereignty that lies with the People not the parliament or the queen.That way taxation would all stay here ....to be used here for our benefit . We dont want or need what WM spends our money on ,Trident ,HS2...no use to us ,London Crossrail and Sewers...not our problem ...we'd rather support people who need it than multi millionaires who dodge tax .

biba70

I have some friends who voted for Brexit despite their adult children begging them not to- and laughed. They are now distraught that their family are moving to the other side of the world. Pro EU groups are full of young families saying all they want to do is leave, and that they can barely face seeing their Brexiter parents who ruined their future chances.

Many young families have already left because of Brexit, and not just those whose parents voted Leave. The Brexit Brain Drain has resulted in our own "brightest and best" leaving the UK, many going to other EU countries with the intention of staying for good.

For those who remember the effects of WW11 and the hard times that were to follow leaving the EU will be a piece of cake in comparison

Nobody on here is old enough to have shopped, managed a household, raised a family in WW2 so stop this patriotic claptrap. Just when I begin to ease my anger at the leave vote, I read something like this. Oh, and before anyone jumps in, wishing to remain in EU does not mean I hate my country, au contraire, it means I love my country and want the best for it and those who live here, and I happen to think that staying in, or at best getting a fair deal is better than leaving without a deal. Bloody hell, where do you people live with views like this? Under a bloody stone?

B

David0205

"some family members did vote for it- not sure things will ever be the same."

Many friends and some family voted leave including my partner. Its not a problem, they are now learning that its not the walk in the park they voted for, its certainly going to be a very long time before they, see any benefits, if there are any.

Myself, I accept we are leaving, I will make the best of it, when they complain that things are harder I'll take pleasure in reminding them what they voted for. I do have some sympathy though because they, had no idea how it would end.

Watching Jeremy Vine this morning, Lowri Turner explained that she new when she voted that it would cost us all money but she voted in order to escape from the EU controls. This was followed by a lady who runs a company importing and exporting chemicals. She explained how she'd been on various online conferences and webinars to find out what she needs to do to get ready and nobody knew. Business are going to have real problems next year.

Greta

When I arrived in this country many years ago I was shocked by the amount of litter in our streets and on our beaches. We still seem unable to control it. Perhaps now that we are free from the shackles of EU we could address the issue.

When I was a child there was a Keep Britain Tidy campaign which had a lasting effect on me to the extent that if a tissue or a till receipt falls out of my pocket or shopping bag I pick it up. I'm not virtue signalling here, it's just that it's ingrained in me just as drinking a glass of wine is.

When we first had a camping holiday in France in the early 70s we stopped at a view point. I looked over the wall to see tons of rubbish just thrown over. You don' t see that now. Even the motorways have very little rubbish. I'm always shocked whenever I return to the UK to see the amount of rubbish along the verges of the A12 for example.

Sorry for bad joke, couldn't help it.

Talking about food and shortages- Farron explains so well how so many family farms will go up to the wall and fail- and this will add to shortages. As said, what is a point of a Sovereignty that can't feed its people.

Ready to sacrifice all our agriculture, industry, services, and the income it brings- so education, NHS, etc, etc - for some fish we export? Really. Sheer stupid incredible madness.

soon to be renamed Calais Sole ;)

Apparently, Johnson was served a fish supper with turbot yesterday.

Dover Sole would have been more appropriate.

I fail to see how the EU “shackles “ stopped us cleaning up litter , beaches or rivers!and following minimum standards. Perhaps people think the EU are to blame for all the flytipping and filthy rivers in the U.K.

growstuff

Apparently, Johnson was served a fish supper with turbot yesterday.

As a former scholar of classics, Johnson might be familiar with the satires of the Latin poet, Juneval.

One of the satires is called "The Emperor's Fish".

The narrator makes the emperor Domitian and his court the objects of his ridicule in this mock-epic tale of a fish (turbot) so prodigious that it was fit for the emperor alone. The council of state is called to deal with the crisis of how to cook it, where the fish can neither be cooked by conventional means due to its size, nor can it be cut into pieces. The main themes of this poem are the corruption and incompetence of sycophantic courtiers and the inability or unwillingness to speak truth to power.

Maybe it was just a coincidence ...

Well posted,!

Coincidence?

I think not

Apparently, Johnson was served a fish supper with turbot yesterday.

As a former scholar of classics, Johnson might be familiar with the satires of the Latin poet, Juneval.

One of the satires is called "The Emperor's Fish".

The narrator makes the emperor Domitian and his court the objects of his ridicule in this mock-epic tale of a fish (turbot) so prodigious that it was fit for the emperor alone. The council of state is called to deal with the crisis of how to cook it, where the fish can neither be cooked by conventional means due to its size, nor can it be cut into pieces. The main themes of this poem are the corruption and incompetence of sycophantic courtiers and the inability or unwillingness to speak truth to power.

Maybe it was just a coincidence ...

I have some friends who voted for Brexit despite their adult children begging them not to- and laughed. They are now distraught that their family are moving to the other side of the world. Pro EU groups are full of young families saying all they want to do is leave, and that they can barely face seeing their Brexiter parents who ruined their future chances.

I listened to Tuppence short of a Penny Mordaunt trying to suggest that any questions by the opposition relating to the deal/no deal issue undermined the government and was Unpatriotic.

???

We have not fallen out with anyone- but we are avoiding them. I can't imagine having them here to stay, going to stay with them or go on holiday together and have a wonderful as we used to. Very sad.

Greta

When I arrived in this country many years ago I was shocked by the amount of litter in our streets and on our beaches. We still seem unable to control it. Perhaps now that we are free from the shackles of EU we could address the issue.

EU environmental standards are high, in many areas we do not meet them because it would mean spending a lot more money.

"some family members did vote for it- not sure things will ever be the same."

Many friends and some family voted leave including my partner. Its not a problem, they are now learning that its not the walk in the park they voted for, its certainly going to be a very long time before they, see any benefits, if there are any.

Myself, I accept we are leaving, I will make the best of it, when they complain that things are harder I'll take pleasure in reminding them what they voted for. I do have some sympathy though because they, had no idea how it would end.

I thought that escaping the EU meant we could escape their dreadful environmental protections. You know, like being able to use banned pesticides, and high wattage light bulbs and domestic appliances. And the environmental protections which are called for in the farm payment schemes...

We Brits like our dirty beaches...

Here's one prominent Brexiter on the subject:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

When I arrived in this country many years ago I was shocked by the amount of litter in our streets and on our beaches. We still seem unable to control it. Perhaps now that we are free from the shackles of EU we could address the issue.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

with EHIC gone, and Covid, holiday insurance is going to be impossible to get, and truly phobitive, for anyone over 60 or 65 and with pre-existing conditions.

Only 16% of our rivers meet EU cleanliness standards. Another good reason for leaving we can pollute our rivers as much as we like!

Exactly Wwmk2- as for starving, I agree this is probably not the case. The choices may be few, and changes might have to be made.

But we may well have energy issues- remember most electricity and gas companies were sold to foreigners- including EU and many in France. They literally have got us over a barrel. And chemicals- we simply do not have the necessary chemicals for water plants- so shortages of clean, safe water may well be an issue.

And medicines, and isotopes for cancer treatment, and so much more.

At this stage, I am so glad I can look my children and grandchildren, family and friends and say I NEVER WANTED IT. I NEVER VOTED FOR IT. AND I WON'T OWN IT...

some family members did vote for it- not sure things will ever be the same.

For now

British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Wasn’t it EU regulations that cleaned up our beaches? However, on the subject of super trawlers yes, I am concerned so it’s wrong to say that people who are pro EU just blindly agree with everything they do. However I don’t seem to remember super trawlers being mentioned during the referendum as a reason to leave and surely Farage should have questioned their use when he was an MEP. Oh, I forgot, he never attended meetings did he.

The point is why should I put up with shortages etc.

I NEVER WANTED IT. I NEVER VOTED FOR IT. AND I WON’T OWN IT.