How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

Oh dear! As you said Lemon, best ignored!

Jaberwok

Isn't it strange that being accused of being a Little Englander is a name of derision, but to be a patriotic Scot (paddyanne), or Welshperson is to be admired! Why?!

wow thank goodness there are no furiners on here, hey.

To be honest I couldn't care less, I never wanted to leave in the first place.

Isn't it strange that being accused of being a Little Englander is a name of derision, but to be a patriotic Scot (paddyanne), or Welshperson is to be admired! Why?!

Imagine spending millions on advertising campaigns and leaflets for businesses telling them to prepare for something that you don’t know what it is yet. Got to be nuts.

To elaborate, we remain NATO members so no problem with military flights.
International flights are flights and crew licensing are agreed with EASA the European regulator
Our own CAA are integrating other pilots regulations with the EASA system.

Other than probably a separate immigration lane for U.K. travelers there will be few changes, maybe the computers for E Passports will need reprogramming.

Oh nothing to do with pressure from the USA then?

I’m not sure it is a tool they can use very often as they will, get short shrift from those countries with which they wish to trade.

Sovereignty has its limits it seems??

No I'm sure you don't. In 1973 our fishing grounds were not fished out, no body's were. it was a thriving industry sacrificed by Ted Heath. We lived in Newlyn in the mid 60's and the place was alive with trawlers, a lot of our friends worked in the fishing industry. what happened to that industry and those people was a tragedy which I would never have voted for. I wouldn't expect most people on here to care, let alone understand.

Whitewavemark2

Can anyone explain to me why one day the government forced through the clause breaking international law, the next day withdraws the clause.

Do they know what they are doing?

I think they are going to say that the now removed clauses were a successful tool in bringing to a conclusion the agreement over the NI protocol. Just softening us up for the next time they use threats to break international law as a negotiating tool...

Of course they didn't want us to leave, we were a major cash cow!

You proclaim yourself a Little Englander with every post you write, Jabberwok.

You don't like the idea that pooled contributions went to help the poorer countries develop their economies so that they would be able to contribute more and major contributors would be able to cut their contributions. Because mutual aid and co-operation appears to be a totally alien concept to Leavers.

It's pitiful, actually, the insularity and mean mindedness. And the way everything is reduced to schoolyard terms

Can anyone explain to me why one day the government forced through the clause breaking international law, the next day withdraws the clause.

Do they know what they are doing?

Anybody who says we should have listened to Enoch Powell has immediately lost the argument.

I wonder if the EU has demanded 80% of another country's fishing grounds, graciously allowing them the rest, as part of a trade deal?

Well, what a stupid hill to choose to die on. Fish. A miniscule contributor to our GDP, employing very few people catching fish that the British won't eat. And most of what we were able to catch in days of EU membership, i.e our quota was happily sold off to foreign companies by our government

And, our wonderful caring fishers had practically fished out 'our waters' to extinction before we joined the EU.

Yup, let's get really, really upset about the French wanting to nick our fish, while our motor industry disappears, while our financial services industry (our biggest earner) relocates to Europe, while our road freight industry declines through lack of permits, suppliers of parts and services for EU countries lose business because the bureaucracy associated with exporting goods to the EU makes them too expensive and the ending of mutual recognition of qualifications affects our service industry, while it costs too much for musicians to play in the EU...

Yes, let's get upset about fish...

Well, just like you Leavers don't give a damn about your vote adversely affecting people's lives in a major way, I don't much care about a minor UK industry getting a chance to overfish 'our' waters again...

Of course they didn't want us to leave, we were a major cash cow! Perhaps if the EU, over the years, had been a little less contemptuous of us, even resorting to name calling, taken the warning bells of discontent by the british public more seriously instead of putting up two fingers, the situation could have been avoided, but unfortunately EU arrogance and barely concealed contempt for us as a nation suddenly became too much, and when opportunity knocked we grabbed it. A trading block, which is what we were assured it would be, was and would now be, absolutely fine, but being run by you? None of us way back voted for that and none of us would have done. Should have listen to Tony Benn and Enoch Powell, they clearly saw exactly what we were voting for, but sadly we believed T.Heath who unfortunately led us right up the garden path.

I don’t think getting the Covid vaccine here will be the problem - much too high profile for either side to risk that.

It will be the everyday drugs and medical sundries for conditions millions of people have, that aren’t manufactured in the UK that we will struggle to get, as well as other things we take for granted.

No deal = very limited airspace

“The fact this Goverment is planning to Airlift the vaccine with military planes (that is if the EU allows the UK into their air space, and military planes even more so) - should tell you all you need to know.”

Aviation rules were agreed ages ago there are no issues, its not yet decided if RAF will be needed, but you can bet they are on standby - it is an emergency after all.

Maizie and Whitewave I agree too, it's obvious.
Look at it from their point of view - I don't think they wanted us to leave as we were one of the major financial contributers to the Union

The USA have told us how high to jump ? and we have.

The NI agreement

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quizqueen, that question has been asked on other forums, and as you say, the answer is none! I wonder if the EU has demanded 80% of another country's fishing grounds, graciously allowing them the rest, as part of a trade deal? Jurisdiction over their law courts, state aid? and all the rest that is being demanded of us. The answer of course is that they havent! what's the point in leaving when in reality we're tied hand and foot to these crooks till the end of time? There would in fact be no point! Either we leave, lock stock and barrel, or we might as well have stayed put!

MaizieD

^Hardly anyone on here ever seems to put any blame on the EU for a good deal not being agreed with the UK.^

Well, why should they, qq?

We have chosen to leave the very advantageous free trade deal we had with one of the largest trading blocs in the world. 'Frictionless trade', tariff free and bureaucracy free, was simple because of the mutually agreed standards and regulations which operated within the bloc. The only countries that can enjoy this level of trade is a member of the bloc.

Third countries have to offer something attractive to get good trade terms and they will never get anything as advantageous as the bloc members have.

Frankly, it surprises me that leavers are whining about not getting a good deal. It's entirely up to the EU what terms they want to trade on because they are the larger partner and we don't have much to offer them. Leavers are getting what they voted for and the further away from mutually agreed standards and a mechanism for sorting disputes they want to be, the less of a good deal they'll get from the EU.

It's understandable and unsurprising. The only thing to blame is the UK for thinking they could have their cake and eat it.

Absolutely

Hardly anyone on here ever seems to put any blame on the EU for a good deal not being agreed with the UK.

Well, why should they, qq?

We have chosen to leave the very advantageous free trade deal we had with one of the largest trading blocs in the world. 'Frictionless trade', tariff free and bureaucracy free, was simple because of the mutually agreed standards and regulations which operated within the bloc. The only countries that can enjoy this level of trade is a member of the bloc.

Third countries have to offer something attractive to get good trade terms and they will never get anything as advantageous as the bloc members have.

Frankly, it surprises me that leavers are whining about not getting a good deal. It's entirely up to the EU what terms they want to trade on because they are the larger partner and we don't have much to offer them. Leavers are getting what they voted for and the further away from mutually agreed standards and a mechanism for sorting disputes they want to be, the less of a good deal they'll get from the EU.

It's understandable and unsurprising. The only thing to blame is the UK for thinking they could have their cake and eat it.

Apparently the NI agreement holds regardless of whether we negotiate a deal or not.

USA has concentrated minds it seems?

Hardly anyone on here ever seems to put any blame on the EU for a good deal not being agreed with the UK.

Perhaps someone could name a non EU country - think Australia, Japan, Mexico, S Korea etc. - which negotiated a free trade deal with them, where the EU said they had to have control over their borders and seas, their laws and how their companies conducted themselves internally. I think it'll be a very short list of none. That's what being an independent country means and that is what was voted for.