How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

Firecracker123

Only in your warped opinion.

That wasn’t opinion that was fact???? no wonder you voted leave???

It was November 2018 MaizieD

The link worked for me?

Firecracker123

Only in your warped opinion.

Oh, go on then, Firecracker. Give us chapter and verse on the 'truths' that were told by the Leave campaigns.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1254237-Is-today-s-Brexit-the-same-as-we-voted-for-in-2016?pg=9

Link doesn't work for me. Just comes up with a deeply stupid message 'This page has mooved' (+picture of cow)

Not sure what the date of the message you found is, Alegrais, but the one I'm thinking of was pretty soon after the referendum..

Only in your warped opinion.

It is going to be so easy to blame leave voters, but I think what must be born in mind that the voter had never ever ( well in living memory) subjected to such a barrage of lies, obfuscation, and misinformation. The evidence of that is beginning to be clear to us all.

GrannyGravy13

Nothing mind boggling MaizieD those on here who voted remain have stated repeatedly that they voted for their children and grandchildren’s future, why shouldn’t I vote for my AC and GC’s future, just because we view the future differently doesn’t negate our motives.

I voted Remain for purely 'selfish' reasons, GG13. I made up my own mind and it was entirely up to the rest of my family to do the same. I didn't even contemplate the thought that we might try to pressurise each other into voting another way. That's why I found your response so mindbogglingly memorable.

I'm afraid that when I see the state the Brexit vote has reduced the UK to I find it difficult to forgive leave voters. Especially as those AC & GC's futures look to be so blighted...

You're welcome GG13.

But I'm not worried at all by the prospect of a European defence force. Except we won't be part of it.

Thank you for finding that Alegrias2

Don’t be quick to dismiss an European Army, I suggest you google some of Ms Van de Layern’s (sp?) speeches.

MaizieD

We know why GG13 voted leave. She told us a few years ago. She voted leave because her children told her to. She had intended to vote Remain.
The mythical EU army played a part.

I remember that answer pretty clearly because it was so mind boggling. If Gnet had a better search facility I'd find it for you

Once out there on the internet, always out there on the internet. Page 9.

GG13 is right to say her children didn't tell her to vote either way. But the mythical EU Army does come into it, as does some very effective persuasion.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1254237-Is-today-s-Brexit-the-same-as-we-voted-for-in-2016?pg=9

$Whitewavemark2* I voted leave, and the way it has panned out is not what I believed I voted for. The division is so nasty. My sons both emigrated to escape it (Brexit impacted their work/income which was the main reason they left) but son1 the other day remarked to me even if it hadn’t affected his work he would have left as the mood in the U.K. is so ugly and divided and brought so many nasty people to the surface. I hope Scotland doesn’t leave the union and Ireland and NI doesn’t unify but if they did I wouldn’t blame them a jot.

Nothing mind boggling MaizieD those on here who voted remain have stated repeatedly that they voted for their children and grandchildren’s future, why shouldn’t I vote for my AC and GC’s future, just because we view the future differently doesn’t negate our motives.

MaizieD I was going to vote remain that part is true. My children did not at any time tell me how to vote, however when they told me that they were all voting leave and that the result of the vote would affect them and their children more than me I voted leave, my choice.

We know why GG13 voted leave. She told us a few years ago. She voted leave because her children told her to. She had intended to vote Remain.
The mythical EU army played a part.

I remember that answer pretty clearly because it was so mind boggling. If Gnet had a better search facility I'd find it for you

I have yet to hear of one single benefit as a result of brexit. Utter shambles, screaming hypocrisy and cronyism is all I see.
The light at the end of the tunnel for me is the prospect of independence for Scotland and then rejoining the EU as an equal.

How many of you hand on heart can say that they voted for what is now on offer?

If you say you did you are lying.

At best if you say you voted to simply leave without understanding the issues (although how you didn’t is beyond me) or you voted to leave with the understanding that the U.K. would be negotiating an easy and straight forward deal that meant greater sovereignty, control over our borders and little effect to the economy.

That is what most leavers voted for and precisely what they are not getting.

GrannyGravy13

I am amazed that Whitewavemark2 knows what every person who voted leave in 2016 thought then and thinks now.

Perhaps WWM2 should become a SPAD there is a vacancy in No.10, her all encompassing knowledge would be an asset.

Simples - it was never mentioned nor on offer.

The offer was an easy deal which included the single market or remain.

The English have always felt themselves superior and should have special treatment, which is why there is this impasse.
Leave voters cannot be delirious with happiness over the way this has gone, with a divided country in the economic doldrums facing worse.

Sparkling

We are provably better no deal.than a bad deal, eating our own produce more. We cannot let our fishermen down, their job is one that none of the population would or could do with little reward. I am totally against animals bring slaughtered miles away, theircwell bring is paramount. I still remember French burning Sheep lorries, they don't give an inch, it's their way or no way. so leave them to it. We need our farmers and fishermen.

I think there are roughly only 1,000 more fishermen in the country than there are Debenhams employees that are going to lose their jobs but I’m not aware of people being as concerned about them. And strange that fishing is probably more important to Scotland and yet they want to remain in the EU. Perplexing.

The French have always been volatile, when protests start they get nasty quickly and lives get lost, which is why a fisheries agreement is needed or they will bring Calais to a standstill, there will also be a fisheries war, we lost the last one.

We are independant and sovereign but that does not mean we cannot make sensible agreements in the interests of the nation instead of this stupid brinkmanship we have had for 4 yrs.

And me Firecracker123 !

I am amazed that Whitewavemark2 knows what every person who voted leave in 2016 thought then and thinks now.

Perhaps WWM2 should become a SPAD there is a vacancy in No.10, her all encompassing knowledge would be an asset.

How do you know what every leaver in the country voted for. The referendum was a straight in or out vote and out won and we are out of the EU now. WTO will do nicely thank you for this leaver and many others I expect who voted leave.

It is astounding how the 80 + have absolutely taken hostage of the narrative.

We take about a bad deal/no deal dichotomy but that was never on offer in the referendum.

There isn’t a leaver in the country that voted for what is confronting us now, and yet they have allowed themselves as well as many remainers to accept this minority’s narrative.