Fishing industry being destroyed

So what is the point of having a representative working in the European Union regarding fishing if they aren’t there to represent the government and the fishermen?

peasblossom you are the voice of clarity and reason on here tonight that’s for sure.
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And with your insider knowledge it’s even more appreciated. It has gravitas.

I don’t know about Nigel Farage and his role Maybee so I can’t comment on that other than to say I think it would have been the role of Government to negotiate. I’m not sure he could do anything other than express a view. But it wouldn’t surprise me to learn he did nothing.

Some fishermen who could no longer make a living due to poor catches sold their rights to EU conglomerates. That’s what businesses do when they can’t turn a profit.

I don’t think it was a matter of believing lies barmyoldbat. Yes they did have hopes for a different future but that was because what was happening in the now was so bad.

As Alegrias says it was the cumulatiion of 50 years of poor negotiation, governments who did not value the fishing industry and who did not listen to concerns. Not just one government, not just one party.

We were in the EU. Those who wanted us to remain should have listened when problems were voiced. It wasn’t lies that drove fishermen to vote leave, but the truth of their everyday lives.

Thank you for giving us an insider view of the fishing industry Peaseblossom. It is appreciated. But can you answer me two questions. First, is it true that many fishermen sold their fishing rights to EU countries. And how do you feel about the fact that Nigel Farage was supposed to represent the fishing industry in the European Parliament but hardly ever turned up to do so, thereby creating a situation where fishermen would be dissatisfied with their quotas etc and would support his leave campaign.

Peasblossom I don't think for a minute that the fishermen want to go back in the EU. I think they will accept this deal and the promise of improvements to come because of the dissatisfaction with the Common Fisheries Policy and the way they perceive they have been treated by the EU.

It does seem to me though that the other countries' fishing fleets are not in the same situation, and that their representatives in Brussels managed to get good deals for them. So maybe its the effectiveness of our negotiators for the last 50 years, and the willingness of the UK government to de-prioritise fishing for all that time, that they should be complaining about. Not the EU.

So Peasblossom the next bit is not aimed at you. Its for all the baying voices about ooohhh, at last someone who knows what they're talking about - I'm not exactly a stranger to the fishing industry, ladies. Stop being so childish.

Thing is, the fishing folk voted for jam and got shit. All very well saying they will be much better off in years to come. This maybe one of those pie in the sky promises this bunch haven’t delivered. Tell that to those whose fish and businesses are rotting, and the processors in the U.K. whose work is being taken to Denmark.

Most of the fishermen believed the lies they were fed on Brexit and voted to leave. This is only the start.

I sell fish
But I was selfish
Now I wish
I could sell
My shellfish

What on earth did we do to deserve such an utter idiot

Jacob Rees-Mogg - "The key is we've got our fish back. They are now British fish, & they're better & happier fish for it."

Well said Peasblossom so many on here say ‘well the fishermen have only themselves to blame, they voted for it’. It’s great to have a knowledgeable post put into the mix.

Plus, I believe i read in the short term, the fishing industries who are struggling because of red tape (not all export to Europe) are to be compensated by Rishi Sunak.

We must all do our bit to support the industry and eat more fish.

I'm happy to eat Macron mackerel.

Peasblossom ? I think you have got it in one!

I’d like to comment as someone whose family has been involved in fishing for over a hundred years, mostly trawler men.

The deal is not what was hoped for in that the concession to fish in British waters is greater than was wanted and goes on for longer than was wanted. It’s a big disappointment.

BUT our fishing industry when we were in the EU was without hope. That’s why the vast majority of fishermen voted leave.

So if you’re saying fishermen should have got a better deal, I agree.

If you’re saying they were better off in the EU. You couldn’t be further from the truth. Nobody in the fishing industry would want to go back to what was before.

Of course Alegrias he (Andrew Locker) wanted too much from the deal ( I have read your link!) far, far too much in fact, but then he is the head of that organisation so no doubt dreamed ‘big’.
What they are getting over the next few years isn’t bad at all, just not every fish in our coastal waters, as he hoped.

Their fishing quotas will be massively increased ( than what they can catch today) and there is time to sort out any problems as from now on ( with the Brexit trade deal agreed in the main) they(government) can fix any difficulties with fishermen getting their catch to the markets.It’s early days.
MP’s have to act for their constituents or they lose their jobs.

Maybe everybody who says its a good deal could tell this guy where he's going wrong?

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/fishermen-worse-off-post-brexit-trade-deal-andrew-locker-national-federation-fishermans-organisation-michael-gove-809681

Oh wait, I know....it's jam tomorrow! Just like always.

Is this a sensible and measured response by Jacob Reece Mogg? " The fish are happier because they are British"
Or is it uncaring flippency.

lemongrove

It isn’t relevant to the job geekesse.... and can be done by a minister who lives in York/Oxford/ Manchester just as well.
All a minister needs to do is to understand what their job entails.
Algerias I have no idea what your politics are ( but guessing SNP)?
Am thinking that mainly all who do get angry about this are Labour supporters or those who constantly moan at any real or imagined wrong doing by any government ‘bod’ at all.
A great deal of the fishermen live in Scotland and although they may be complaining about hiccups to do with Brexit, will get a much better deal for the coming years than under EU trade from the past.

How do you work out that they will get a better deal in the future?

lemongrove

What do you say about their increased fishing quotas for the future then Seams ??

Increased quotas are completely useless unless you can sell your fish.

Which is the problem facing our fisherpeople at the moment. They can't get it to market in a saleable state.

They will need a side deal that violates the Brexiters desire for separation if this is going to improve.

Increased fishing quotas will mean bobbins if their businesses have gone under which many are in danger of, and if they can't easily sell what they catch.

Fair enough about my politics Lemon, I made an assumption.

But you think people who complain about the government are mainly........people who complain about the government?

Yes that's probably true. Or is it....

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mps-from-fishing-areas-criticise-government-over-brexit-red-tape/ar-BB1cKIg6

What do you say about their increased fishing quotas for the future then Seams ??

They certainly wont get a better deal in the years to come, especially if their businesses have gone under.

It certainly isn't a better deal than the one they had before where they could have seamless trade with their main market. now every box has got to be checked and what took 5 minutes now take hours/days - not good for something so perishable. This minister obviously doesn't know what her job entails otherwise she might have glanced at something so important. As for slagging off every one who criticises this government I think we could say those who defend everything they do and will never admit to any shortcomings of our dear leaders are somewhat blinkered in their adoration.