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MaizieD Sat 16-Jan-21 17:52:47

This guy is a wine importer. He prepared, in advance, as well as he possibly could for Brexit.

He's not a happy bunny

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Daniel Lambert (Wines). ????
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Over the past 15 days I have not only been running my company as normal but I have been faced with largest threat to its future since it began in 1992. This is #Brexit & here is my thread on just how bad things are getting. 1/26
Six months ago my business started to prepare for Brexit. We obtained the following licences and accreditations JUST to maintain the status quo. EORI number, RORO badge for Chief, GBRC number, GBWK number, we already had ARWS and DAN accounts. 2/26
All of this took nearly five months a lot of form filling but on the 9th December this was all in place. So I would say whilst we knew Brexit would be a car crash we did not know it was going to be a multiple pile up in the fog with fatalities. 3/26
On January 4th I returned to work being wise enough to have stockpiled just enough so that if we had a bumpy ride in January we would have enough stock to last until February. 4/26
I should add this took a considerable amount of cash flow and management to do this during a lockdown/ pandemic combined with Xmas sales. But we managed. 5/26
I should add this took a considerable amount of cash flow and management to do this during a lockdown/ pandemic combined with Xmas sales. But we managed. 5/26
On my Return in January I started to use Chief for the very first time. It was not possible to use this system prior to Brexit or necessary as it was very simple to move stock in the EU with minimal fuss and delay with the EMCS system. 6/26
It’s fair to say it worked like clockwork after 40 years of tweaks to get the system just right. But in Brexit Britain we are very much on our own & so this British system (CHIEF) has now got every product the U.K. consumes in its grasp. 7/26
However the problem with CHIEF is that it was built decades ago and was never designed to handle EU imports too! Why would leave a system (EMCS) that works for one that does not? 8/26
A CHIEF declaration (C88) has up to 65 boxes to complete. Some of these are very simple like excise number and parties involved on the import. So basic stuff. Others however are very vague codes. 9/26
CHIEF is there for the Government to collect tax, that is its primary purpose. It’s not there to aid businesses. It definitely hinders business. On this point no debate is required. Most of the other boxes are codes that have zero meaning .10/26
Now unbeknown to me until January all hauliers use secondary software to over write onto CHIEF because is so hard to use. There is currently a 4 month waiting list for new installations of this software which costs £2K all in. 11/26
I have been imputing directly to CHIEF which I should add costs £157 per month to be able to access. Yes thats right folks you have to pay to tell the government how much your going to pay them. The first Brexit dividend. 12/26
Now after 14 days I finally complete my first C88 declaration but noticed I was paying the 3rd countries tariff. Odd I thought to myself I am sure just three weeks ago the U.K. signed an FTA with the EU to make all goods tariff free. So I used my contacts to find out more. 13/26
Now you would think that government would want to make using CHIEF as easy as possible as now there are millions of businesses having to use it. 14/26
So you would think that a call centre would be a good idea right? No wrong, this is the ONLY HMRC system where there is no number to call. Just an email with a 5 day turn around. Remember that when government say they are doing all they can to help. 15/26
So with the knowledge that government are not interested in making Brexit easy for businesses and in many cases businesses are just trying to survive, we have ploughed on regardless. 16/26
Again you would think if there is a FTA, CHIEF would apply it to all imports from that area/ country right? Wrong you have to claim it. Unbelievable! 17/26
Claiming a tariff free status was yesterday’s game with CHIEF. To be fair deep in the CHIEF files I found the notes to apply the codes to the system required (U 110 followed by AP for example) but problem is after triple checking, CHIEF has not been updated properly. 18/26
So once again I can’t import wine via my own means until I wait for CHIEF staff( normally five working days) for them to advise how to correct the problem and complete the declaration correctly tariff free. 19/26
So what does this all mean for the consumers? Well to supply the U.K. the exporter need to get a Rex document to prove the origin of their stock to the U.K. government (again, unbelievable). 20/26
Then with all the additional costs in Paperwork, time wasted, government fees to tell the government how much your paying them and delays in the supply chain it’s obvious price are upward bound. 21/26
So this is why I have been saying wine per bottle on retail will increase by at least £1 per bottle for mass market products, for niche small batch wines your looking at £1.50 or even £2.00 on the bottle prices. There’s another of those Brexit dividends. 22/26
This government have cocked up Brexit from day one. But I am now 100% sure that choice will reduce dramatically, price will increase dramatically, delays with increase dramatically and the U.K. wide depression is inevitable, and still the government couldn’t give a toss. 23/26
It’s why I will leave this country next year once my kids have finished there education. I am lucky and have a second nationality within the EU thanks to my father. 24/26
But for those that can’t leave I understand why you are angry and with what I can see your about have a lot more taken away from you than just freedom of movement. 25/26
The Tory party is no longer the Tory party. It is UKIP that has assumed control of the Tory party. They goal is clear, to commit economic vandalism and social vandalism on the U.K. whilst ensuring they get considerably wealthier. That is very sad for what was a great country.

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Urmstongran Tue 02-Feb-21 22:53:09

No we didn’t growstuff as you well know. We had over 4 years of Brexit denial, Theresa the Appeaser in charge, the so called ‘meaningful votes’ in the HoC where nothing got passed and Donald Tusk telling us there was a special place in hell...

We’re out now.
Time to sort out some of the intransigence.

David Frost is pretty awesome in my book. I’ll fetch the popcorn.

growstuff Tue 02-Feb-21 22:44:18

Urmstongran

We’ll have to see how things progress I think MaizieD. Events can change very quickly as we’ve witnessed in the last few days....

With goodwill and pragmatism on both sides we might all be pleasantly surprised.
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Could you explain what you mean that? We had four and half years of opportunities for goodwill and pragmatism.

BTW It's a shame that Frost and all the others forgot about Northern Ireland. The DUP has launched a campaign to scrap the NI Brexit Protocol.

growstuff Tue 02-Feb-21 22:40:37

The UK has apparently formally applied to join the Trans Pacific Trading Bloc, which includes Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.

Errm! That makes sense! hmm

Urmstongran Tue 02-Feb-21 22:34:57

We’ll have to see how things progress I think MaizieD. Events can change very quickly as we’ve witnessed in the last few days....

With goodwill and pragmatism on both sides we might all be pleasantly surprised.
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MaizieD Tue 02-Feb-21 22:06:01

The thread title is ironic, Ug. These are not 'bumps', these are permanent features of life as a third country outside the EU.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Feb-21 21:48:07

Well some good news about Brexit - Lord Frost, who clearly did a good job of leading the negotiations with the EU, has been asked to continue this task over the many difficult months to come. He will have a great understanding of the issues and complexities involved. I for one will be more optimistic about ironing out these ‘bumps’ with him at the wheel. A very intelligent ‘details’ man.

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 22:45:58

In the email sent on Tuesday, January 19th, and seen by PoliticsHome, the EU official said it was “strictly forbidden for bivalve molluscs originating from third countries, [such] as UK" not ready for human consumption to enter the EU at any time, and that "molluscs accompanied by an aquaculture certificate, wild or from aquaculture, cannot in any case reach a depuration centre in the EU".

This is horrific. These are the sorts of consequences that just weren't thought through in the run up to the Referendum.

You see, leaving the EU wasn't just like leaving a golf club. 40+ years of close integration of trade and 30 years of enjoying the freedom of the Single Market just couldn't be unravelled in a short period. It's even more sickening that our bold Brexiteers used fishing as a highly emotional high profile issue on which to persuade people to vote Leave. They really didn't have a bl**dy clue, did they?

I have no doubt that Johnson will find a £1million bung for the building of a purification plant in the UK, but by the time it's completed so many people will have lost their businesses and no doubt the hole in the EU market will have been more or less filled.

People did try to warn that leaving would be very complex, but 'Project Fear' was very potent.

Welshwife Mon 01-Feb-21 22:24:23

Did anyone else watch the BBC2 programme about the Padstow fishermen this evening - all of them believing that once things open up after lockdown they will get their market back again. I feel sorry for the man who had just refitted out that boat. It must be heartbreaking to have their livelihood taken away - and the rules haven’t changed it is just that the U.K. has moved into the group of non EU countries.

vegansrock Mon 01-Feb-21 22:01:59

Meanwhile, an indefinite ban on U.K. shellfish exports to the EU will finish off many fishing businesses. The U.K. government lied when they said it was temporary.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/exclusive-eu-tells-british-shellfish-traders-that-a-post-brexit-export-ban-is-indefinite-not-temporary?fbclid=IwAR0CkvyttZJf5EUiUEEvVYHnkmtXrbBxFVbuCOp7bcFQI-xMuUg-M_r7eUI

Casdon Mon 01-Feb-21 19:52:25

I agree varian although on a personal note the picture of the empty shelves made me smile. All the celery I couldn’t get was obviously in Northern Ireland, but it was all they had. I sincerely hope their supermarket shelves are now adequately stocked.

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 19:43:37

What a lot of unecessary pain

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/55831263

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 10:54:14

Thanks flowers

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 10:09:14

A similar review in The Mirror

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/first-month-brexit-9-consequence-23410201

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 10:04:16

The Financial Times looks at five different areas of Brexit-related disruption. While some are teething problems, others risk becoming long-term issues unless changes are made.

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 09:59:54

Hope this link works Maizie

www.ft.com/content/21090acb-23c2-4c1b-a013-7ecddaa18c7a

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 09:25:06

It's behind a paywall, varian. Can you give us a flavour of what it says?

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 08:41:00

So far, so bad

www.ft.com/content/21090acb-23c2-4c1b-a013-7ecddaa18c7a

LauraNorder Thu 28-Jan-21 13:08:27

Wasn’t being smug Growstuff just informative. Produce from Spain is on the shelves in the UK, sorry if that wasn’t clear.

Eloethan Wed 27-Jan-21 23:39:26

That's a huge increase! It's all very worrying.

Nana3 Wed 27-Jan-21 21:38:51

We make our living importing from the EU. Haulage has gone up 35 %.

muse Wed 27-Jan-21 21:02:07

growstuff

Broccoli, courgettes, aubergines and sweetheart cabbages are still showing as "out of stock" on my Tesco order page.

All in stock on Sainsbury's and Morrison's sites growstuff. You've had problems with Tesco for a while! I'd swap.

Casdon Wed 27-Jan-21 14:27:59

It’s the first time I’ve been for about 6 weeks, I normally do click and collect, but as our local infection rate has dropped a great deal now I thought I’d go in the shop today - there were Out of Stock labels on some of the shelves, so it must have been like that for a few days at least. Still, I was glad I got celery anyway.

growstuff Wed 27-Jan-21 14:21:03

Casdon

I finally managed to get celery in my shop this morning, first time since before Christmas, However no courgettes or romaine/little gem lettuces this time.

I haven't been out shopping in person since last March, so maybe other shops had what I wanted, but I've been happy with Tesco deliveries until the end of December.

growstuff Wed 27-Jan-21 14:19:32

LauraNorder

My satsumas came from Spain Growstuff.

How lovely! Do you like feeling smug?

I have no idea where my produce which didn't arrive was supposed to come form because it didn't arrive! Usually, out-of-season fruit and veg comes from Spain or Holland.

I actually don't know why it didn't arrive, but it didn't.

LauraNorder Wed 27-Jan-21 12:37:49

My satsumas came from Spain Growstuff.