Brexit 'bumps'

varian

Who wants 70 pages of paperwork for one lorry load of fish? Is this what the brexiters voted for???

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55887043

They're lucky they can even export fish.

The poor shellfish people can't export to the EU at all because of the rules that we helped to write while still in the EU. Rules which apply to all third countries like the UK.

Who wants 70 pages of paperwork for one lorry load of fish? Is this what the brexiters voted for???

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55887043

So that makes these new threats OK? grannygravy? No-one cares about Ireland may be, but this will be ongoing, NI is being treated differently , not what they were promised at all.
Yes, businesses who serve an internal market may not notice a difference, but those who trade with the EU, of which there are thousands, plus individuals, are facing more bureaucracy and red tape and losing business. The UK may be continuing their "negotiations" i.e. Gove going back to the EU to beg to change the treaty they themselves signed in haste and didn't bother to read the small print, not to mention they haven't yet come to agreements about financial services, the UKs biggest contributor to GDP. Still we'll get cheaper soy sauce won't we?

There have been 158 security related deaths since the GFA in 1998, the majority of which were carried out by republican and loyalist paramilitaries, who mostly targeted victims within their own communities.

The report was compiled independently by researcher Paul Nolan, on the twentieth anniversary of the agreement.

The troubles have never gone away, just brushed under the carpet which in my opinion is shameful.

And the Irish border, GG13?

Unconcerned about that, are you? With militant unionists on the move and border staff having to be withdrawn for because of threats to their safety?

Vegansrock there are thousands of SME’s just getting on with their day to day business, balancing their books paying their employees with not even a nod to Brexit.

Everyone knows that bad/sad sells newspapers and makes headlines, nobody is interested in those of us who are just continuing as usual.

So why are many U.K. businesses, including fishing at breaking point? Why is there a border in the Irish Sea when we promised there wouldn’t be ? Why are those ports and the people that work there being threatened with violence? Why is someone in Spain buying quilting cotton from the UK now having to pay double? These aren’t teething problems, these are major extractions. The last minute deal so celebrated is costing billions and contains more holes than a proverbial fishing net.

I didn’t suggest you wanted “those things” Varian I was pointing out that as of yet they haven’t happened.

As a SME at the proverbial coalface there is a definite air of optimism that post Covid things will indeed pick up. I can only speak as I find I do not have the time to trawl through every document or article appertaining to post-Brexit.

Not according to the Governor of thw Bank of England (apponted by Johnso ). He warned that the damage which would be inflicted on our economy by a no deal brexit would be twice as bad as the damage due to covid. Although we have narrowly escaped no deal the brexit we have is based on a very thin deal. barely better than no deal so still likely to be more damagi g than the pandemic.

It is childish and absurd to suggest that those of us who opposed brexit want to see empty shelves in supermarkets. costs rising because of increased bureaocracy. soaring ynemployment or firms going bust. We never wanted any of these things.

Varian and others who voted remain, I know this is something that you do not want to hear..............goods are still arriving at our ports everyday, goods are on our shelves.

Our business still has full shelves (we provide products from around the world as well as EU) as do our competitors.

The Covid pandemic has had far more of an impact on trade than any post-Brexit fallout in our industry.

I am confident that with David Frost on the case the teething troubles will improve.

Post Brexit hiccupsare not the only things going on in Europe and the World at the moment, there is a pandemic along with Vaccine procurement problems and the upcoming French Elections (if they go ahead).

Believers seem to have an infinite capacity to ignore all the evidence that might shake their belief. Even now there are millions of Americans who believe in Trump.

Not at all vegansrock .... it’s about recognising that further negotiations will be ongoing. Red tape mistakes at European ports (full stops in the ‘wrong place’ on order forms for example) need clarification for border staff and smoothing out. All this is a process and I for one am delighted that the highly esteemed David Frost is about to pick up the reins. The EU won’t want this muddle going in the opposite direction come June!

vegansrock

So Brexit is a “belief” based on nothing but hope in eternal sunshine, and non believers are unpatriotic, traitors.

If you say so!

So Brexit is a “belief” based on nothing but hope in eternal sunshine, and non believers are unpatriotic, traitors.

It’s not even original GG13 KA was being used as a taunt last summer. Some oldies are late to the party and thinking its ‘cool’.
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One month is far to soon to see the benefits of leaving the EU.

We were part of the cumbersome machine for over forty years, it will take more than forty days to move upwards and onwards.

Aah it seems Kool Aid is the new buzz word for those who voted remain ?

Every sentence of your response demonstrates how deeply you've drunk the Kool-Aid, Ug.

If this were mumsnet my response to your final little bit of cheerfulness would be 'robust'...

Why TF should the EU have any 'goodwill' towards the UK? well maybe ‘goodwill’ was too strong a word to use for the EU MaizieD but money talks. Both ways. The exporters from Europe over to here are having an easy ride of it for the first six months - no checks etc - but their businesses won’t want all this nonsense at the ports! David Frost has been asked to coordinate this for a reason. Once he steps in you watch things improve!

And no, I haven’t drunk the Kool Aid, I’m just more of an optimist than you. Is that delusional of me? I don’t think so. I just happen to believe in Brexit. We’ve only been gone a month! Watch and learn (not to be such an Eeyore).
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Weren’t we told we would still have free trade, no border in the Irish Sea, take back our fishing waters etc etc.? what happened there? We all know it was all to keep out Romanian fruit pickers but why don’t they come out and say so.? As for joining a Pacific Ocean trade bloc - will we get a referendum on that?

I belong to a sewing group, one member, who lives in Spain has just written that she’s made her last purchase from a U.K. supplier. She has to pay an extra £94 tax on purchase of £130. Thank you Brexit.

She's drunk the Kool-Aid, growstuff. There's no hope for her ?

Urmstongran

No we didn’t growstuff as you well know. We had over 4 years of Brexit denial, Theresa the Appeaser in charge, the so called ‘meaningful votes’ in the HoC where nothing got passed and Donald Tusk telling us there was a special place in hell...

We’re out now.
Time to sort out some of the intransigence.

David Frost is pretty awesome in my book. I’ll fetch the popcorn.

No, I don't know. What I can see is that you're rewriting history. And I bet you still can't come up with a tangible advantage. Ah well!

Urmstongran

We’ll have to see how things progress I think MaizieD. Events can change very quickly as we’ve witnessed in the last few days....

With goodwill and pragmatism on both sides we might all be pleasantly surprised.
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We have left a rule based organisation. Many of its rules were made by the UK, ironically enough.

We are now a third country. Rules relating to third countries cannot be negotiated away. The EU has no reason to favour us over any other third country.

Why TF should the EU have any 'goodwill' towards the UK?

One day, the penny is going to drop.