Civility and decency

In the 1941 Orson Welles epic “Citizen Kane,” newspapermen huddle near the printing press on election night as it becomes clear that the results won’t be good news for their boss, the publishing mogul Charles Foster Kane.

One of them holds up a front page with the headline they had hoped for: “Kane Elected.” He then lowers his head and nods toward the version they have to go with instead. “Fraud at Polls!” it declares.

www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/voter-fraud-claims.html

Apparently "Citizen Kane" is one of Trump's favourite films and he liked to rewind various scenes, including the one which seems to be the origin of his biggest lie.

Fennel

WW2 - I agree that it's a relief to see the back of Trump but doubt that corruption etc will end here.
It's been going on for ages and will continue.
I've been watching All the President's Men over the last few evenings. About Nixon's presidency. Implies that corruption is a natural part of politics. Here too.
But no excuse not to clean out the Augean stables.

We must never accept it though, it must never be normalised.

Just one day and look how different it feels?

I so wish for a prime minister with a similar outlook

President Biden may be only four years older than Trump but he is a grown up-. a man of mature judgement and decent principles, not a narcissistic , mysoginistic. racist. ignorant apology for a man with the maturity of a petulant toddler.

WW2 - I agree that it's a relief to see the back of Trump but doubt that corruption etc will end here.
It's been going on for ages and will continue.
I've been watching All the President's Men over the last few evenings. About Nixon's presidency. Implies that corruption is a natural part of politics. Here too.
But no excuse not to clean out the Augean stables.

varian

I am a lot more impressed with President Biden now than I was when he was selected at the Democratic candidate.

I was concerned about his age but he seems to be in good health and on top form, so long may he prosper and succeed.

Biden is only 4 years older than Trump.........

I am a lot more impressed with President Biden now than I was when he was selected at the Democratic candidate.

I was concerned about his age but he seems to be in good health and on top form, so long may he prosper and succeed.

One thing for sure Trump nor Johnson could never give the speech delivered by Biden. Neither one of them are capable.

Pitch perfect

Great to see Trump gone , but the Inauguration is a bit crowded , I know they all have masks , this is only a limited protection , they are all too close !

Biden has to be a better choice than Trump but he inherits a divided and bitter country. At 78 he is the oldest President and looks it. He comes over as a decent man but I doubt he has the stamina and sheer grit he will need for the task ahead.

I am not taking policies, although I could. No , I am talking about decency and honesty.

I’d take Biden any day over Trump.

I’d take quite a few over Johnson and cronies.

Checkout the number of bombs dropped by Obama/Biden Administration compared to the number of bombs dropped by Trump/Pence.............

Checkout the number of US Troops brought home to USA in body bags under the Obama/Biden Administration compared to Trumps?

I am not a Trump fan but do not let some relevant facts get lost in your dislike for Trump.

OMG will you ever get off your high horse! If this country is sooo bad you have options....
Tho I don't believe even you intended to say this....

"What a pity the American grans all seem to have disappeared, I hope that they didn’t feel welcome."

Obama, a thoroughly "nice" guy but did little...A great figurehead!

seen before in our lifetime

petra

^Today we see the end of lies, corruption and immorality in the leadership of the USA^
Some part of lies, corruption and immorality have been part of every US administration since George Washington onwards. To believe otherwise is naive.

Was there an implication that the OP didn't recognise that some level of lies, corruption and immorality have always existed in governments Petra. I did not read it like that.

I could lie and you could murder but I don't think anyone would think both actions, though wrongful, were of equal magnitude. In the case of the Trump presidency it is the magnitude of the immorality that holds it apart.

Equally Trump and his backers have virtually brainwashed many people in that country and who knows what that will do to it in the long run. Believing in a lie does not do your mental health any good but then finding out you have been believing in a lie doesn't either. I don't believe that is something we have seen in our lifetime but it has sadly spread it's spores to other administrations in other countries.

What a pity the American grans all seem to have disappeared, I hope that they didn’t feel welcome.

Joyous occasion!

I don’t think anyone ever reads posts properly! I’m probably just as guilty.

But I didn’t mention anything about envying anything else but their change of leadership from a lying corrupt immoral b.....d to someone who is half decent.

I wish we could do the same.

I don’t like Trump in any shape or form, but Biden has a hard road ahead and I don’t trust any politician to be totally ‘clean’. I’ve met, worked with and visited many Americans, I’ve never envied their country or culture.

I am partially envious of them too. I have just been watching Obama signing out. A admirable leader.

Jo Biden has an almost impossible task ahead. I am fearful of what might happen today. All those people with all those guns.

Goodbye to Trump thankfully, but have never envied America for any reason whatsoever!
Good point Petra and that can be applied to any administration and any political party.

Sorry, misunderstood.

Whitewavemark2. A leader who isn’t corrupt, and who would that be?.

I envy them a decent leader, a leader who isn’t corrupt, a leader that doesn’t lie.

I’m not so naive to not understand the massive, if not almost impossible task ahead of Biden.

I’m not so naive as to not understand that the white supremacists are a continual and existential threat.

I’m no so naive as to not understand the links between members of our lying corrupt government and white supremacists like Bannon.

White supremacy is a bigger danger to the USA than terrorists from outside the USA.

Today we see the end of lies, corruption and immorality in the leadership of the USA
Some part of lies, corruption and immorality have been part of every US administration since George Washington onwards. To believe otherwise is naive.