The he UK is doomed

This morning it was reported on the R4 religious programme 'Sunday' that this event was one of many such events to have been organised by this community. A photographer who was commissioned to take photographs at them said she had attended 9 during lockdown in her professional capacity. She stopped doing it in October, when her conscience and the risks involved, over rode her need to earn a living.

There is a fine line in pointing to one particular community and saying you, as a group, are deliberately flouting the rules and must conform to the rules of the wider community on certain points, especially at the present, with the treatment of the Uighur people in China. But on a narrow issue of public health and behaviour, where the behaviour is putting the wider community at risk, then I think they must conform or be sanctioned.

This is a small community and all the events are held in buildings owned by the group. it cannot be a large number of buildings and it should be possible for the police in the areas to closely monitor the use of the buildings, while leaving the community to continue with their lives and occupations without any suggestion of harrasment. They are unlikely to be allowed to hire any hall elsewhere during lockdown.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-police-officers-break-lockdown-rules-fined-b900407.html

Police called today to the locked football ground. Idiots had scaled the gates and were having a training session! Apart from breaking and entry was in contravention of covid lockdown rules. Wasn’t kids either. Hope they all get fined.

Most of the guests fled the scene. Five others have had smaller fines. I read somewhere that more fines may be imposed, but I can't find it now.

With reference your earlier post MawBe what annoys me is that only one person was fined; they should have all been fined.

I don't see anyone discriminating against the Haredi community (if the wedding was in fact one within that community - I haven't seen that definitely stated) They are a group which "keeps themselves to themselves", they do dislike and largely ignore television and the media and they adhere to their own god-given rules over manmade ones.

These traits are nothing to criticise them for - but inevitably they do come into contact with those outside their own group, and in this pandemic situation that does expose them to the infection from others, and also the other way round. Contact distributes the virus, and they cannot be unaware of that fact, from their own experience. No man is an island, and neither is any group or community.

Saying that is not discrimination.

annodomini

Treasons *MawBe^? Now I'm worried. I didn't know it was actually treasonable to read and quote the Torygraph?

Freudian slip Annodomini

out of interest I looked at my local papers and bbc site yesterday to see if there were gatherings in my region and most of them have apparently been huge funerals (150+)

Treasons *MawBe^? Now I'm worried. I didn't know it was actually treasonable to read and quote the Torygraph?

It just makes me so cross MawBe the majority are staying home away from loved ones, then there is this mindless minority who are carrying on without a thought for anyone else.

I want to hug my AC and GC, both here and those abroad, and I just cannot see it happening anytime soon!!!

I have just read this, this morning in the DT, from Michael Deacon - one of the treasons I read the DT.
As defences go, it’s less than watertight. Last week police caught a group of young people holding an illicit party at a house in Hampshire
And what excuse did the attendees offer ?
Wait for it.....
They didn’t realise there was a pandemic. Because, in their words: “We don’t watch the news. “

The party was broken up, and one man fined. No further action will be taken

Deacon goes on
. A pity, in a way, because I’d have loved to hear the accused expand on that defence in court.

Genuinely, Your Honour. I had no idea. I mean, I did kind of wonder why all the pubs were shut, and the schools, and the restaurants, and the hairdressers, and most of the shops, and everyone was wearing these funny masks. But I forgot to ask. My teachers always said I was a bit of a dreamer ...
OK the last bit is imagined, but the story was true

On and on it continues, I wonder what their excuse will be?

In my opinion they are acting like self entitled spoilt brats!!!!

Condemnation by Jewish leaders is all very well and good, but someone at that school has acted irresponsibly and I think the buck stops with them too.
I don't buy it that no one from the school's management knew anything about the school being hired out for a wedding. On the website it even says that the school can be hired for staff weddings.
The local mayor wrote to all schools, including this one, to say that no events must take place during covid times. Was the letter regarded as unimportant?
Even if a private lettings agency were dealing with bookings, it would be very unusual for there to be no communication with the school regarding an event being held.
Moreover the school's OFSTED report comes up with the following criticism:
"While the school’s policy on respecting other people included those of different faiths or with a disability, it does not encourage respect for all citizens living in modern Britain."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/22/organisers-of-london-wedding-attended-by-hundreds-face-covid-fine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This article provides a bit of clarification about numbers involved and condemnation by Jewish leaders.

I agree muse the new fines should be implemented immediately. They all clearly knew what they were doing was wrong or they wouldn't have been so quick to run away as soon as the police arrived.

Hopefully, when the police have the full list of attendees, more fines will be given out. Many guests fled as the police arrived. Stable door shut too late!

These are not the first to arrange a wedding with more than the allowed numbers.

I googled to find out more about this current one. I found at least 7 other weddings that have broke the restriction rule and the organiser + others being fined. This is just over the past 5 months. I fear that parties and weddings are going to keep happening.

Fines should have been enforced as soon as announced. Why wait a week?

Ursmstongran, I agree 100%

Every single one there should have been fined. There is simply no excuse. They can't claim they didn't know and that goes for anyone holding mass gatherings regardless of ethnicity or religious background.

If the fines aren’t severe enough to send out a warning to everyone in the UK these gatherings (of whatever type) will continue.

The rules need to be enforced otherwise we might as well have no rules.

And a tap on the wrist for half a dozen attendees just isn’t good enough. The others who weren’t fined will just ‘crowdfund’ and donate say £20 a head to the ones facing a £200 fine!

Their religion has not led to a conflict with civil law. They are idiots and that's all there is to it.

I read that growstuff some lovely happy photographs amongst the devastation of this pandemic

MOnica I don't need to Google who Haredis are.

GrannyGravy13

I googled Haredis to inform myself, nowhere has anyone referred to them as a weird sect other than yourself growstuff

I know perfectly well they're not a weird sect. However, the person who posted the article about the man in the plastic bag obviously does think that.

The son of my husband's step-sister is married to a woman from the North London Haredi community.

JaneJudge

I only commented on the Haredi/Jewish element firstly because the BBC made that suggestion throughout the article but secondly because it was covered on our local news a lot during the first lockdown how badly these communities were affected by infection and death, I remember being really saddened that it had gotten into young learning disability home/community in the area too. It must have directly affected a lot of people so to go ahead with a big wedding seems as I said, surprising. I'm sorry if that offended people as I can see I made the assumption it was a gathering within the community. I see the venue says it hires out to anyone who wants to hire it, so I may have been wrong to assume. I apologise and it is always good to point these things out to people so they can check their thinking and behaviours and educate themselves a bit better.

Fwiw I see groups of women everywhere in groups dropping children off at schools, certainly before the lockdown. I always found it a bit shocking as I have hardly mixed with anyone but I suppose people mitigate their own risks. I think aswell we have been led to believe it doesn't matter so much when you are outdoors. I remember sitting on a bench to eat my lunch (alone) and a woman sitting right next to me and feeling a bit about it!

Before the first lockdown, many Haredis weren't aware how serious the situation was, as they're not encouraged to watch television or access social media.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/how-a-haredi-community-in-london-is-coping-with-coronavirus-photo-essay

They are not a weird sect, but they are defined as ultra orthodox, that is among the groups that place the strictest interpretation of the bible at the heart of their lives.

I cannot think of a single faith that does not have groups adhering to the strictest interpretation of their faith, while every faith will have those at the most liberal end as well.

These ultra groups, whether Jewish Christian or Muslim, and I am sure others, do tend to live together, socialise and even work together and, in some cases, educate their children separately. To state that is not to make assumptions, these are generalisations that make these groups recognisable. These groups often have beliefs that conflict with civil authorities.

It is my respect for other people's religious beliefs that lead me to think that when conflics occur between civil and religious authorities and civil authority must prevail, as it must with the COVID regulations, compliance is more easily obtained if you can work with other people's beliefs.

This does not mean that in cases like this they should not face the same legal penalties as other people.

I googled Haredis to inform myself, nowhere has anyone referred to them as a weird sect other than yourself growstuff