The E.U. And AstraZeneca row.

It’ll be interesting to see what Full Fact say about what has happened.

When our government makes one of its numerous-u turns, they get praise from certain posters on here for listening to critics, now the EU has made a U turn and admitted it was wrong it gets unsurprisingly bashed from the same haters. The vaccine has been developed internationally and if it appears one country is hogging it, then others will be upset. A few months down the line and supplies will be equalised.

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

But there is not enough to go round is there. Are you saying the vulnerable in the UK (one of the worst affect countries) should go without? The government did the right thing early why should our vulnerable miss out?

AZ will supply the vaccine at cost. TheEU have behaved appallingly just to try and cover up their own short comings.

If there is no other reason than this to hang a leave vote on, I, for one, am happy. If we were still in the EU I dread to think where we would stand in the queue for vaccines. As usual the stifling inertia and bureaucracy of the EU has caused this. They had every opportunity to ensure their supply of vaccine but, as always, their lack of urgency has seen them caught out. Their threat to install a hard border (now withdrawn) in Ireland perfectly illustrates their petty minded nastiness. All their insistence during those protracted negotiations that there must not be such a border! They have shown their true colours and the sooner the whole bloc falls apart the better.

Vickysponge

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

I totally agree.....

The virus isn’t political it doesn’t recognise boundaries.

Governments need to get a grip.

Not a single one of us is secure until everyone in the world is secure.

We will get nowhere if this fact isn’t understood, and the virus will grasp every opportunity it can to mutate to even more dangerous levels.

This seems to be descending into yet another Brexit thread so I'm out of this one.

Is there any way you can stop a thread showing on your own "I'm on" bit? Thanks in advance for any help.

PippaZ

lemongrove

I thought that for once whitewave you may have posted a comment similar to Algerias on this matter.....but no!

Unless.....you mean that the EU commission are being small minded?

Why attack Whitewave personally Lemongrove? Surely this is a thread about "The E.U. And AstraZeneca row" not other members of this forum?

??? I would begin to worry if lg actually managed a post without a personal comment.

She would be losing her touch??.

Vickysponge

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

We were still in the EU when the U.K. ordered various vaccines. We only officially left recently I believe.

The European commission got this wrong. It was heavy handed and ridiculous and a political attempt to save political lives. The best thing the government can do is to stay quiet while it works itself out.

lemongrove

I thought that for once whitewave you may have posted a comment similar to Algerias on this matter.....but no!

Unless.....you mean that the EU commission are being small minded?

Why attack Whitewave personally Lemongrove? Surely this is a thread about "The E.U. And AstraZeneca row" not other members of this forum?

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

It's typical behaviour of the Brussels bullies, in my opinion.

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

Vaccine nationalism is the issue. Politicians need to think outside the box and understand that no one is secure until we are all secure.

It is one incident during a pandemic which is, as has been pointed out by brexit supporters when it comes to other issues unprecedented. Which I am not going to use as excuse for what seems to be unpleasant behaviour by the EU (especially as the vaccine is being produced non profit making). Having said that I’m not going to immediately forget that the government have messed up every other aspect of the pandemic and it has cost thousands of lives.

Alegrias, schmalegrias

Sorry Alegrias I nearly always get your name wrong.

I think they have behaved really badly, doesnt change the way I would have voted. But I have never really enjoyed the whole football team type of politics, because I disagree on this I have to disagree with everything else you do.

I thought that for once whitewave you may have posted a comment similar to Algerias on this matter.....but no!

Unless.....you mean that the EU commission are being small minded?

It is a pity this silly argument is taking focus away from the real issue which is - how to vaccinate the most people in the shortest length of time.

Cooperation is the key.

Small mindedness is the problem.

I think it may make a lot of people change their minds on how they view the EU, they will now realise that the EU commission throw their weight about indefensibly and in this case, totally wrongly. They have shown their true colours for the world to see, and the world doesn’t like what they see!

I'll rise to the bait then. No point in having strong opinions and then not turning up to defend them.

I have no idea what the EU think they are playing at. At first it seemed valid, but rather draconian, to refuse export licences for companies within their own borders but now its just got weird. Playing with the border in NI just seems completely counterproductive. Even everybody's least favourite European thinks they've taken the wrong track.

www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-eu-idUSKBN29Y314

Doesn't change my mind about Brexit though.

Or is just COVID weariness? I’ve spotted 6 threads on here this morning, some with similar issues being discussed. Planning to take a break today I think, I just hope it gets sorted out in a way that enables everybody, regardless of where they live to be vaccinated as soon as possible.