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Where are all the Statesmen/Great leaders?

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nanna8 Wed 17-Feb-21 00:45:27

I can’t think of any just now in either the UK or Australia or the USA come to that. Where are the sort of people we used to look up to and respect as wise and effective leaders? Perhaps it is because with social media we see different sides of their personalities but I don’t think so. Perhaps they are not sufficiently rewarded for their leadership ? In the good old days, for want of a better phrase, we had leaders like Bob Hawke, Whitlam, Keating in Australia . All flawed in their way but definitely leaders and worthy of respect. Even the likes of Thatcher, whom I didn’t like one little bit, was a leader. Churchill, perhaps, certainly had leadership qualities.

trisher Thu 18-Feb-21 18:40:36

Galaxy

Sorting out the issues of that council cant be down to one person, from what I understand the issues are widespread and systemic and will take a long time to resolve, hopefully via the ballot box.
I think she demonstrated skills in responding to aggression.

I don't think Jackie Weaver demonstrated any skills except the fact that she knew more about Zoom than one rather pathetic, blustering old bloke who plainly knew nothing. She didn't handle the agression at all.

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 18:32:42

NellG

I think you overestimate the interest in a bunch of old women sniping at each other because we have nothing better to do. I imagine that most people think we're a bunch of over opinionated pointless old biddies.

Bloody hell-what are you on ?

NellG Thu 18-Feb-21 18:31:17

I think you overestimate the interest in a bunch of old women sniping at each other because we have nothing better to do. I imagine that most people think we're a bunch of over opinionated pointless old biddies.

Galaxy Thu 18-Feb-21 17:27:03

I think if people scroll back they can make their own decisions about projection.

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 17:20:47

NellG

Nothing like a bit of toxic feminism to cheer the day. Don't worry Nicola Sturgeon, the 'third wave' have your back - they are even re-writing the dictionary in your favour. In fact they are so busy arguing the toss they haven't even noticed how much they are undermining their own credibility with their high school, 'mean girl' behaviour. Beautiful exposition of projection though - thank you. Never seen it so well demonstrated.

To the affronted Scots grandma - roll on independence!

Well somebody’s in a bit of a strop ?

NellG Thu 18-Feb-21 17:10:28

Nothing like a bit of toxic feminism to cheer the day. Don't worry Nicola Sturgeon, the 'third wave' have your back - they are even re-writing the dictionary in your favour. In fact they are so busy arguing the toss they haven't even noticed how much they are undermining their own credibility with their high school, 'mean girl' behaviour. Beautiful exposition of projection though - thank you. Never seen it so well demonstrated.

To the affronted Scots grandma - roll on independence!

janeainsworth Thu 18-Feb-21 13:58:23

Well I'm sorry suzie and jane but I'm superior and I can't accept that you are disagreeing with me

I won’t hold it against you A. grin

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 13:51:11

Ro60

NellG love it! Go girl! Xx
It is interesting we've mainly picked out women. Any grand-dads out there?

This is an example of the everyday throwaway sexism that defaces so much in our society. I don’t find it funny and no I won’t lighten up.

Esspee Thu 18-Feb-21 13:26:48

I am disappointed in the SNP’s record in government but there is no opposition worthy of note.
Oor Nicola (as most people I know refer to her) comes across as caring and highly capable. It is rare for politicians to answer questions but she is superb at giving straight answers to straight questions.

GinnyH Thu 18-Feb-21 13:11:06

Basically, we just need more female leaders!

Casdon Thu 18-Feb-21 13:06:43

To lighten the mood maybe?

Galaxy Thu 18-Feb-21 13:04:05

I find Merkel interesting, she is much more socially conservative than I thought.

Alegrias1 Thu 18-Feb-21 13:02:11

Well I'm sorry suzie and jane but I'm superior and I can't accept that you are disagreeing with me.

Oh sorry, thought I was on the argument thread....

grin

Ro60 Thu 18-Feb-21 13:00:11

NellG love it! Go girl! Xx
It is interesting we've mainly picked out women. Any grand-dads out there?

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 12:56:19

janeainsworth

^As for AM my understanding about Mutti is that it’s about her systems as mother of the nation not her appearance^
I agree Suzie. I thought it was an indication of the affection and respect in which she’s held.

I don’t know where the ‘system’ came from but anyway you got my point ?

janeainsworth Thu 18-Feb-21 12:50:50

As for AM my understanding about Mutti is that it’s about her systems as mother of the nation not her appearance
I agree Suzie. I thought it was an indication of the affection and respect in which she’s held.

Grandmabatty Thu 18-Feb-21 12:45:31

NellG ,so you don't live in Scotland or have a specific Scottish connection but you comment so unpleasantly on the personal attributes of Scotland's First Minister? This is a thread about being a leader and many people in Scotland consider NS to be a good one, others do not. However they do so based on actual knowledge, not throwing insults around about a person. I have friends and relatives on both sides and not one has used or would use the nasty, stereotype you used. The fact that you have to try to insult her and my country to make a point, is very telling. Just stop.

Alegrias1 Thu 18-Feb-21 12:41:26

This was published today. Time's 100 young leaders who are shaping the future. Includes Rishi Sunak and Marcus Rashford!

time.com/collection/time100-next-2021/

paddyanne Thu 18-Feb-21 12:40:20

Varian YOU may not be impressed by her actions but the people who she mitigates tory policy for are and low paid who get extra help are and the families with under 6 year olds who will get an extra £10 a week in these difficult times are .Even folk like me who pay a wee bit more in tax to help pay for these things are happy with her and her party..THATS why they get voted back .Thats not even looking at the green issues ,the 22 million trees planted in 2019 ,The renewable energy programme thats streets ahead of the r UK the 90,000 affordable homes built including tens of thousands of council houses.These are FACTS .You dont need to like her or think shes doing well or otherwise....the people who vote for her say it by making their mark on the ballot paper

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 12:32:39

Another interesting thread bites the dust, Well back to the arguments thread I guess - it’s quite fun ?

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 12:18:00

Galaxy

This is all very familiar.

And truly truly pathetic.

Galaxy Thu 18-Feb-21 12:15:05

This is all very familiar.

NellG Thu 18-Feb-21 12:01:16

I wasn't actually referring to you Alegrias but if you feel you want to own it I shan't argue.

Galaxy if you took the bait less often you'd retain a lot more credibility. Every. Single. Time. I assume you're happy with it as you wouldn't keep coming back for more.

suziewoozie I was wondering when you'd be along.

Now where is Fanny she was after good argument wasn't she?

varian Thu 18-Feb-21 11:57:00

I think Nicola Sturgeon is an excellent communicator. She can certainly talk well but I am not at all impressed with her record in government.

A really good leader should be able to talk the talk and walk the walk. Their talking ability is very important in getting them elected and we can never know how many other politicians might have done a better job but didn't get the chance.

suziewoozie Thu 18-Feb-21 11:47:31

NellG

And henceforth the wheat sorts itself from the chaff as the most rabid and self defeating come along and claim superiority because they can't stand being disagreed with.

Is there an epithet for the intrinsic dislike of stupid people? Oh yeah, misanthrope...

You’re a bit cross I take it?