Sturgeon -v- Salmond. This is going to be very interesting. Is the SNP finished? And what impact on the Scots regarding Indy2? ?

Alex Salmond has issued a statement.

wingsoverscotland.com/time-to-shine-a-light

What a farce. Not a good choice could be made between the two. A thoroughly unsavoury business.

Alegrias1 No chance.

It'll be ISP on the list because they know what a woman is.

I'd really like to see a coalition. I had hopes for Sarwar. I wish we could work with Westminster instead of what always seems against them. A united front sharing resources for the benefit of the Scottish people is infinitely preferable to life outside UK, Europe and with a very poor economic outlook.

I can understand that attitude FarNorth. Greens?

It's a complete shambles. A lot of people who want independence now feel politically homeless.

The processes of government have certainly failed those women. One told the committee that they'd been left completely unsupported. This has been an awful situation. Nicola relying on 'Can't remember', 'Don't recall' so many times doesn't do her any favours neither does the repeated refusals to release documents despite the parliament voting for them to be released.
This has just been a cock up made worse by extremely inept attempts to make it all difficult. Nobody to blame? £500,000+ of taxpayers money wasted due to a dogged determination to persevere despite legal warnings that failure would be inevitable. What a shambles.
I just wish we could all work together for the benefit of everyone in Scotland instead of all the wasted energy and resources on in-fighting.
Just feeling sad and depressed at the state of Scotland.

Yes he does, he does. Independent MSP who very publicly split with the Greens recently, the Greens of course support the current government in most things. I'm currently reading his book on land reform in Scotland.

The Scottish Tories and the other opposition members of the committee have made a big mistake however. By concentrating on trying to make the FM the scapegoat, they have diverted attention from the real purpose of their committee which was to identify what went wrong with the processes of government. And we need to get that fixed, no question.

Here is Andy Wightman’s report . He was on the committee and is an independent MSP. He criticises almost everyone involved.
andywightman.scot/committee-on-the-Scottish-Government-handling-of -harassment-complaints

What's that you say Skippy?

The independent lawyer said there was no breach of the Ministerial Code?

The Scottish Tories are stewing in their own juice?

Somebody's got a chip on their shoulder the size of Aberdeenshire?

Guess so Skippy

During Nicola Strugeon's questioning, she was asked many times about reports, minutes, written statements and other documents which had been requested by the committee and never produced. Time and time again there was no satisfactory answer.

Incompetence and a cover up. No minutes of a Scottish Govt meeting? Literally unbelievable! How can this be allowed to happen?!

Good point Urmstongran. John Swinney is facing a vote of no confidence soon. Looks like he will get away with it because the Greens are going to vote with the SNP.

Perhaps now we know why Nicola Sturgeon said "show me the evidence”. there is no evidence!

Doesn’t Judge Judy say “without evidence this didn’t happen?”

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Continuing the discussion about the impact on Indy2..
John Swinney , the Deputy First Minister of Scotland has confirmed today that there are no minutes of certain meetings between Nicola Sturgeon, the permanent Secretary Leslie Evans and the Scottish Government Legal counsel about the investigation into Alex Salmond .
John Swinney is responsible for handing all relevant minutes to the investigating committee who still haven’t received them all . Swinney says he cannot give the details as there were no formal notes. Surely the Legal Counsel must have notes and taking minutes at a meeting is basic procedure. Can anyone enlighten me ? What do you think ? Incompetence or cover up ?

Petera Yes you are correct . I had forgotten about the 2nd part of the title referring to Indy2.

Cathymac

*Petera*. I think every government has made mistakes...but not trying to defend Boris.
Construction of Scottish ferries scandal. .. instead of £97 million will cost double
Botched implementation of Scottish public sector computer systems have cost taxpayers £250 million
Edinburgh sick Children’s Hospital cost taxpayers at least £25 million while it was not in use.
All I’m trying to say is no Government is perfect and I agree it is difficult to know who to vote for . Anyway this is not what this thread is about. Think somehow we have gone off topic

I agree. But also I have only posted one of this Westminster government mistakes - eyewatering as it is. If anyone wants a costed list of all of them I'm happy to put some work into it.

As for the thread I (respectfully) disagree: part of the title is "what impact on the Scots regarding Indy2?"

Petera. I think every government has made mistakes...but not trying to defend Boris.
Construction of Scottish ferries scandal. .. instead of £97 million will cost double
Botched implementation of Scottish public sector computer systems have cost taxpayers £250 million
Edinburgh sick Children’s Hospital cost taxpayers at least £25 million while it was not in use.
All I’m trying to say is no Government is perfect and I agree it is difficult to know who to vote for . Anyway this is not what this thread is about. Think somehow we have gone off topic

SNP have wasted a great deal of money on the hospitals, ferries, BiFab and failed airport fiascos. That's before you consider what their policies have done to education and wasted the futures of the next generation. Why are they refusing to publish the findings of the study of education in Scotland until after the election? Not publishing unfavourable documents is becoming a bit of a hallmark here!

It's all a bit fishy isn't it?

Cathymac

Quote from an article in the Holyrood Magazine. You can read the full thing online written by Prof James Mitchell

“ Nicola Sturgeon ‘s Government has failed . It failed women complainants. It failed the Parliament in its consistent refusal to share relevant information. It failed the public in allocating large sums of money on a legal case its advisers warned about. It has failed to be accountable. It has failed to be transparent. This ought to worry us all , including members of the SNP. “

Yes it was a failure, and as admitted by Sturgeon a catastrophic failure and it worries me. But let’s then think of the choice this presents to voters in any future referendum

1.Support a government that has wasted at least ½ million pounds and let down two women badly – and has admitted it, or
2.Support a government that has wasted 22 billion pounds on useless track and trace thus causing countless excess deaths - and won’t even look into it

Sturgeon has sat through an 8-hour broadcast grilling by the committee and, whether or not you like her answers, can you imagine Johnson doing that?

And let’s just put this sums into context:

•½ million pounds – about 10p for each man, woman and child in Scotland
•22 billion pounds – over 300 pounds for each man, woman and child in the UK
•22 billion pounds – over 30 000 pounds for each nurse in the NHS instead of a paltry 1% pay rise
•22 billion pounds – more than 10 times the entire cost of NASA’s Perseverance Rover project.

varian

I think if I was the chairman of a company and my husband the managing director I would certainly discuss this sort of issue with him. It would be remiss (and possibly irresponsible) not to.

We have a SME and I cannot remember a time when any business/employee issues were not discussed between us.

I think if I was the chairman of a company and my husband the managing director I would certainly discuss this sort of issue with him. It would be remiss (and possibly irresponsible) not to.

Quote from an article in the Holyrood Magazine. You can read the full thing online written by Prof James Mitchell

“ Nicola Sturgeon ‘s Government has failed . It failed women complainants. It failed the Parliament in its consistent refusal to share relevant information. It failed the public in allocating large sums of money on a legal case its advisers warned about. It has failed to be accountable. It has failed to be transparent. This ought to worry us all , including members of the SNP. “

Yes I agree Petera, I just dont really know how that situation was ever allowed to happen.