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1% Payrise for NHS workers

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seamstress Fri 05-Mar-21 08:32:57

I'd like to hear the Tory fans on here defending this - MPs get 10% or was it 11% ? How many billions on Test n Trace ?Not mentioned in the budget of course. A kick in the teeth in my opinion.

Lucca Fri 05-Mar-21 17:11:09

AGAA4

People keep mentioning others who have worked through the pandemic, binmen, shop workers for instance and they deserve our thanks, but they haven't been in close contact with covid patients day after day working long shifts in full PPE and saving lives by risking their own
The reward for health professionals who have done this is 1%. No wonder they feel aggrieved

Good point

Whitewavemark2 Fri 05-Mar-21 17:00:29

Those PPE contracts - why can’t we see the documentation! How much has the government paid their mates for unusable PPE?
How much money was wasted but willingly given to the Tory cronies?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 05-Mar-21 16:57:54

How many hospitals would 37bn build. How much would each nurse receive if £37bn was shared amongst them?

Where’s the money advertised on the bus? That could be used towards the nurses pay rise.

Greeneyedgirl Fri 05-Mar-21 16:10:07

I see the government have managed to shake an extra 15bn out of the magic money tree for the discredited, privately run, test and trace system, making a total of 37bn to date.

This system is apparently not even run to internationally recommended standards.

AGAA4 Fri 05-Mar-21 16:03:56

People keep mentioning others who have worked through the pandemic, binmen, shop workers for instance and they deserve our thanks, but they haven't been in close contact with covid patients day after day working long shifts in full PPE and saving lives by risking their own
The reward for health professionals who have done this is 1%. No wonder they feel aggrieved

Oldbat1 Fri 05-Mar-21 15:28:10

What an insult. Typical of a Tory Government no morals but manage to feather their own nests and that of their friends. How many of the Tory cabinet are multimillionaires? Poor poor Mr Johnson is the poor relation and currently bleating about it.

MaizieD Fri 05-Mar-21 15:25:09

It must surely be purely down to affordability.
The NHS is I believe, the biggest employer in the country so to award a higher pay rise would be an eye watering amount.

It isn't down to 'affordability', though that is what the government would like you to believe. The eyewatering amount' could be provided without a problem. The thing that is stopping it is the political will. The tories want to sell off the NHS (don't believe their worthless promises of keeping it). They're running it down; then they'll say it's not working and private enterprise could do better.

A large part of the money expended on the covid pandemic has been created by quantitative easing. It is not owed to anyone; it does not have to be paid back to anyone*; it was created out of thin air. Telling the populace that it has to be 'paid back' in the future though taxation and cuts to services is *A LIE.

I'm really not sure what the government thinks its purpose is, but most reasonable people think that a government has a duty to administer the country for the benefit of its citizens. It has absolute control over the supply of money and, once again, reasonable people think they should exercise this control for the good of the whole country. Which includes properly funding public services to promote a healthy, well educated and secure citizenry.

So far, this government seems to regard their access to the public purse as a chance to reward all their friends and donors. And part of that reward will be the opportunity to buy lucrative parts of the NHS...

trisher Fri 05-Mar-21 14:35:28

LauraNorder

The pay rise for nurses was suggested by an independent review body who advise the government.

Could you post evidence for that please I understood the review body has not met since July 2020 and is still due to make recommendations for 2021.

LauraNorder Fri 05-Mar-21 13:55:57

The pay rise for nurses was suggested by an independent review body who advise the government.

EllanVannin Fri 05-Mar-21 13:54:40

One of my stepGD's is in her 32nd year of nursing at the local hospital and has been permanently on an adult mental health ward---heavy work, but has had to also help out on corona-virus wards as well so she certainly earns her money.
She also faced some bullying because she'd been sent to help out from a different ward ? Different wards, different rules---What ? They're all there to help shock

She too caught the virus last year and was off work isolating which had a knock-on effect around the family too because it meant that my D couldn't visit me because she'd been in contact with that side of the family.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 05-Mar-21 13:53:13

Gwenisgreat1

The MPs always look after their own, don't they!!

MPs did not have a pay rise in 2020.

Gwenisgreat1 Fri 05-Mar-21 13:51:38

The MPs always look after their own, don't they!!

LauraNorder Fri 05-Mar-21 13:47:07

In an ideal world NHS staff, care workers, police officers, bin men, shop staff and many others who have gone the extra mile every day throughout the pandemic, would be awarded substantial pay rises.
Unfortunately there is a global pandemic. Nationally we will suffer a huge economic slump over the next few years affecting us all.
Of course I would like to reward nurses and will join the call for better pay in the future when we can.
In most walks of life there are steady periods, busy periods and occasionally emergency periods of manic activity. We appreciate workers have had to extend themselves to the nth degree but we can’t afford to reward with great largesse at this point.
An anecdote to explain my thoughts- my son is head of services of a large borough, he has kept parks open, he has ensured tenants of council land have survived and has kept the bin collections running. He ensured all his workers had adequately PPE at the very beginning. When two of his bin crews had to isolate due to a covid outbreak he, and some members of his office, swapped suits for overalls and manned the bin wagons for two weeks to ensure the service users were looked after. They then worked overtime to make up for lost office hours. Not one of them asked for or expected extra pay for doing their jobs or for going the extra mile in the national effort.
I am not unappreciative of the hard and distressing work NHS staff have undertaken this year and do feel that 1% is a low offer but union demands for 12% is totally wrong when others are losing jobs. We have just received our state pension notice for 21/22 the increase is 2.5%. This would be a fairer offer for nurses.
Those who have been furloughed have only received 80% of their pay, they may have saved on travelling costs but this will have been offset by heating costs during a particularly cold winter. Their other costs will have remained the same.
Not mean, not hard hearted, not uncaring but practical.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 05-Mar-21 13:45:19

I am not trashing the NHS or it’s workforce, waiting six months to see how the economy and pandemic are developing is in my opinion a more sensible option.

I am mindful of all who have stayed home, some have lost a large part of their income, some have lost their jobs or businesses all to protect the NHS.

EllanVannin Fri 05-Mar-21 13:44:26

Urmston, D put in 12 years until she couldn't stand the way she was treated. A shame because she'd loved what she did and the patients loved her too, with one of them leaving a monetary gift on her death.

Not sure about the pension part of it, though she was contracted out by a known private health company but there was no sick pay or holiday pay that I remember.

sharon103 Fri 05-Mar-21 13:43:50

I'll stand corrected but I thought it said on the news that the 1% rise wasn't finalised.

trisher Fri 05-Mar-21 13:38:53

The Conservatives are way ahead in the opinion polls because there is no effective opposition, I believe it's led by someone called Starmer but most have probably never heard of him.

Greeneyedgirl Fri 05-Mar-21 13:37:10

Indeed MaisieD.
From a Feb 21 report by the Kings Fund. The NHS workforce in England is in crisis: urgent action is required to tackle a vicious cycle of shortages and increased pressures on staff, which has been exacerbated by the Covid 19 pandemic.

I believe that a 1% pay increase is an insult. The pandemic is not over by a long way, and staff that I know are exhausted and suffering burnout.

JenniferEccles Fri 05-Mar-21 13:33:08

It must surely be purely down to affordability.
The NHS is I believe, the biggest employer in the country so to award a higher pay rise would be an eye watering amount.

A compromise would be a one off ‘thank you’ payment with the promise of another pay rise in the not too distant future.
However there are possibly millions of people who would dearly love to still have their job, let alone a pay rise.

Nevertheless it is a contentious issue and although the Conservatives are way ahead in the opinion polls, I hope they are not resting on their laurels.

JaneJudge Fri 05-Mar-21 13:31:54

I feel really sad that people have felt the need to rubbish NHS staff when they have risked their lives and some have lost them because of trying to treat people for an unknown virus and it's complications during a pandemic. Someone in my immediate extended family has been working on ICU and covid wards throughout and the strain and worry it puts on the family is unimaginable too. Have a little compassion at least. 1% is disgraceful and sends a message that is really quite unpalatable.

Galaxy Fri 05-Mar-21 13:29:58

I have met brilliant people in various professions and awful people in the same professions, we dont decide pay rises working conditions etc because there are some poor performers, no ones working conditions or pay would ever change if that was the case.

trisher Fri 05-Mar-21 13:29:31

Please keep Branson and Sugar away from the NHS- one's an ex-bancrupt whose mother kept him out of prison, the other's an East End barrow boy made good. What the hell do they know about a health service?

trisher Fri 05-Mar-21 13:26:55

Whitewavemark2

Clear where the Tories values lie.

A footballer sets up a charity to feed hungry children because apparently there is no money for them.

Johnson wants a charity to fund Symonds in the decorating of his flat which the DM is reporting amounts to £200000.

Somebody has obviously told Carrie that Charity begins at home!

MaizieD Fri 05-Mar-21 13:24:43

I thought this was a thread about NHS workers (all the NHS workers, not just nurses) being given a derisory pay rise.

Sad that it's turned into an opportunity to air petty grievances..

And a chance to rubbish the NHs, without which there would have been tens of thousands more covid deaths than our current 135,000+ and the vaccine roll out would have been a total flop...

Urmstongran Fri 05-Mar-21 13:21:23

Totally agree Sarnia very well said - with insider knowledge too.