Monday - will you watch....and why?

I think it's interesting that the people who condemn M&H draw parrallels between their own family life and this couple's actions. I think they should examine carefully how much of their criticism of these people they don't really know, is actually things they are unable to say to their own family for one reason or another.
I think they were possibly seen as an unacceptable threat to the popularity of Will & Kate, so they had to become the "bad Royals". I hope they are both happier now and I do hope they have had some help to enable them to move on and build a happy family life.

Nell....you say it best.

Good on you NellG.

Great post Nell.

Okey dokey
Some of you agree with each other (and me) and others don't.
All I'm trying to say is don't take it too seriously, and let it get you down, whichever side of the fence you're on.
I think that we're all getting a bit sick of it all now ie all these threads and the arguing.
I hope that it's all over with soon.

For me GrannyGravy when there are such glaring contradictions in what's been said, it's difficult not to be dismissive.

Apart from what's supposedly been said about Archie before he was born, she offered no examples of the racism she says she's experienced.

There's this increasing call for there to be an investigation into this allegation, but how can it be investigated when the person said to be responsible hasn't been named?

H&M had differing versions. According to H this happened before they were married. According to M it was while she was pregnant with Archie so which one was it? Or, is it that this conversation took place before they were married and H didn't tell M until she was pregnant?

If so, why on earth would he do that knowing how she was struggling emotionally and mentally?

What possible reason would the RF or any of their staff have for denying M the help she asked for and if that is true, why didn't H step in to help and protect his wife?

To appear in public within hours of breaking down and telling H of her suicidal thoughts, for me is just too unlikely to be true. She was 5 months pregnant so he could have said they were unable to attend as she was feeling unwell and he was staying by her side.

It makes no sense and in my experience when something doesn't make sense it's usually because it isn't true.

It could be that because of her mixed race and past experiences she 'see's' racism where none exists or is intended. She didn't seem to understand that Archie not being given the title of prince is due to the constitution and nothing to do with him being mixed race.

What appears to have been her 'go to' response is that this is due to racism.

Like you I don't hang on their every word and certainly don't idolise any of them, in fact I've never considered myself to be a royalist and still don't.

For me, too many things don't add up so I question the allegation regarding Archie, and dismiss her allegation that she was denied the help she asked for for her mental and emotional well being.

I question not necessarily her having suicidal thoughts, but definitely the events of the day she told H which ended with a very public event, which she attended because H was afraid to leave her alone.

NellG you’ve said it all. Thanks.

Can they be believed ?

Please excuse the typos, I'm a bit cross!

Smiles That's why I decided to watch it in the end, the whole thing had been dredging up so much painful stuff I felt I had to sit and listen to what people on the 'other side of the the fence' could say about their choices and motivations for estrangement, after all, people have their reasons.

What I watched was nigh on two hours of entitled, self serving justification. I empathise with the mental health issues and the racism, but it cannot excuse the ignorance and denial of the pain they have caused to others by their choices and actions NONE of which was even hinted at. Their families simply no longer matter, because as long as M&H are happy why would they?

I've also had to site here and be told I am disgusting, evil, racist, thick, easily led etc etc etc by those who don't see it the same way - yet I haven't felt the need to personally insult those posters of cast aspersions on them other than with a bit of sardonic humour.

I agreed with Fanny in relation to the discussion on here, not in relation to the interview and because, let's face it, until your child turns on you no one has the slightest bloody idea of what that's like.

I think those of us who've been through it could teach Meghan a thing or two about mental anguish, depression and suicidal thoughts and ours would be just as valid.

I also think this of us who've been through it know a little bit about being judged too and blamed too.

And I think we can still wish them happiness, because we are magnanimous in our hurt, but at the same time wish they would *&%$ off and stop seeking approval for their selfish, cruel behaviour.

Oh come on, it's all a bit of a laugh and a distraction really isn't it?
It's what we want from the RF, lots of gossip and arm chair psychology.

Sorry but this time I have to disagree with you, FannyC

The Royal Family are people too, and, unlike the rest of us, have to go on presenting a public face no matter what is said about them or what mud is slung or innuendo offered to the media by disgruntled family members, usually without recourse no matter how upset or hurt they may be.

I prefer the traditions and stability of the thread of Monarchy but, should the British public decide that they would prefer a republic, then I think they might be relieved to walk away and who could blame them.

It's not what they chose but they fulfil the duties asked and expected of them and their private lives should be their own.

Its all a bit of a laugh

The pathetic excuse of bullies since time immemorial.

I'm surprised at you Fanny.

Smileless2012

Having lived with the estrangement of our son and only GC for more than 8 years Fanny, I can assure there's nothing remotely funny about it.

To see your family torn apart in private is beyond words but to have it done in front of the entire world, I can't begin to imagine.

I didn't mean that it was funny.
I meant that people are using it as entertainment.
If it's not entertainment then what is it?
I'm sorry that you've had problems with your family, it's universal isn't it.

Exactly FannyCornforth.

Smileless2012 I support the monarchy as I would not like the UK to become a Republic.

I do not slavishly hang on their every word or idolise any of them.

If a mixed race female states that she experienced racism and felt suicidal, as none us actually witnessed/experienced it, in my opinion it is totally wrong to dismiss her feelings/accusations, and then go on to verbally assault/abuse her.

Having lived with the estrangement of our son and only GC for more than 8 years Fanny, I can assure there's nothing remotely funny about it.

To see your family torn apart in private is beyond words but to have it done in front of the entire world, I can't begin to imagine.

Luckygirl

Phew! - I am glad that there is another Gransnetter who is not prepared to join in the mud-slinging.

Except to sling mud at the mud slingers!
Oh come on, it's all a bit of a laugh and a distraction really isn't it?
It's what we want from the RF, lots of gossip and arm chair psychology.

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification Fanny.

Yes indeed Nell. H&M decided to give an 'interview' to one of the most famous interviewers in the world. We were drip fed salacious tit bits to ensure as many people as they could get would tune in.

There are strong feelings being aired here by those who support H&M and from a few who don't bother to disguise their obvious disdain for the RF.

None of us know any of them and as you've posted, some will be identifying with what's been said because they have personal experience of racism, depression, suicidal thoughts or family estrangement.

Some, may feel nothing but sympathy while others may feel the exact opposite because what they've experienced goes way beyond what H&M are claiming to have experienced themselves.

It appears that a reference to Salem is perfectly acceptable to those who criticise them when it's just as applicable, if one wishes to stoop to that level, to those who in their support of them, trash the RF.

No , it didn't did it Alegrias

I imagine it's similar to how people on message boards make value judgments about other posters and endow their motives with spurious insinuations.

I've used the "Salem" analogy on here before. It didn't end well

Ilovecheese

I am with you too Luckygirl I just don't understand such strong feelings about people you have never met and are not likely to meet. People who have no influence over your own lives. Is it some sort of collective hysteria, like in Salem.

Very much like Salem, I agree.

I am with you too Luckygirl I just don't understand such strong feelings about people you have never met and are not likely to meet. People who have no influence over your own lives. Is it some sort of collective hysteria, like in Salem.

I don't doubt she was deeply unhappy with her situation and had those thoughts, however I also strongly suspect that some of the people who disbelieve the voracity of her claim may well be speaking from their own experience of such thoughts and feelings and finding it extremely odd that someone would speak out in the way that she did in the interview. It just wont add up with some people's experience of depression and suicidal thinking. Equally for those who haven't got personal experience to draw on, seeing someone with immaculate make-up who claimed to have been weeping in the dark minutes earlier doesn't really represent the picture they have of abject despair and total loss of hope. Who's to say any one of them is right? But we all filter understanding through our own experiences to some extent. Being 'woke' doesn't endow empathy in any greater way than being oblivious.

If you want and example of a dysfunctional family look no further than the RF.