Some effects of Brexit on unimportant people

When a friend of mine lived in Trinidad he was only allowed to stay for 6 months at a time. So every 6 months he would take a day trip to Venezuela and re-enter the country.

There are ways round most regulations.

I think that the problems mentioned here that have been caused by Brexit would have been a lot easier to solve if we hadn't had a pandemic - and an over-reaction to it on both sides of the channel.

I went on a foreign exchange trip to France long before we joined the common market. And students will once again have that chance now we are out of the EU. It will just take time, and good will on both sides to come up with a way of relating to each other that is beneficial to us all.

Kapitan Actually, the last confinement in France (not the current one in 19 departments) was probably about the same as in the UK. We are going into a countrywide confinement Saturday evening.

As in the previous lockdown bars, theatres, restaurants, cinemas, sports centres are closed. We can go to DIY, nurseries, car showrooms, estate agents, chocolatiers, hair dressers, shoe repairers and book and record shops. A strange selection perhaps.

We are allowed to travel 10 km without a time limit so, no attestation required but we should carry something which proves where we live. If we need to travel further afield we do need an attestation. There are rules relating to travel over departmental borders. Fines for breaking the rules. Between 135 euros and 3750 euros for repeat offenders.

No alcohol in public places and I think it's a maximum of 6 people that can meet.

In France, depending upon one's circumstances, we know exactly what we can and can't do, unlike the UK where Johnson says people shouldn't do this or that and leaves it up to the people to decide.

The curfew hasn't made a great deal of difference to the middle aged and elderly I think. As I said above, bars and restaurants and places of entertainment are closed so there's not a lot to do in the evenings. As we get older, I think many of us prefer to meet up with friends at lunchtime, certainly in the winter. If we have friends round a meal, we know they're going to go home around 5.00pm which means we get a chance to clear up, chill and watch film or tv and not go to bed on a full stomach.

Alegrias1 - You would rather we have curfews like in France?

olddudders - For the avoidance of doubt, is your comment a statement or are you calling me a troll?

I read that fishermen are considering suing Defra for lying about trade post Brexit.

Main thread para 5 onwards - all moans.

Jeez, Kapitan, you've a really weird concept of what constitutes a 'moan'.

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And coming in at number 5.....

Sorry to be flippant, but really. Pretending that the UK's COVID response is quick and effective makes me

Deaths per million we're at number 10, out of 220 odd countries

NotSpaghetti - Main thread para 5 onwards - all moans. Personally, I stopped buying any non-UK produced food where possible and eat the UK equivalent - we should all do that to support UK business. I even started eating Fish even though I don't like it. MaizieD - are you saying the death rate in he UK is greater than in any other country? Great that the Government has moved so swiftly to counter that and now make the UK the safest place to be in COVID times.

Kapitan

Every time I go on Gransnet there is someone moaning about Brexit. Don't like it? Tough. This country is so much better than the entire EU, as our 30 million jabs and COVID freedom compared with draconian lockdowns in France for example shows.

The UK has a world beating death rate, too. Are you proud of that as well, Kapitan?

Hello Kapitan
This is a thread about some effects of Brexit on unimportant people.

It would be odd if it wasn't about Brexit!

Some of us are telling it "as it is" but I haven't noticed anyone moaning.
Where are you looking?

Actually there was a huge amount of information given about what would happen to trade, businesses and travel and the Irish Border question right up until the vote but probably a lot of people chose not to read it or chose not to believe it.

Every time I go on Gransnet there is someone moaning about Brexit. Don't like it? Tough. This country is so much better than the entire EU, as our 30 million jabs and COVID freedom compared with draconian lockdowns in France for example shows.

Varian I have read that link and sent it on to DD. It completely encapsulates the reason she and so many other scientists are furloughed or unemployed.

Both my AC work in research. One a scientist, the other in the humanities. DS's dept is No 4 in the world ranking of departments teaching his subject. The department now has as many post graduate as undergraduate students because of the quality of the reearch and teaching - but many of these students came to the department under the Erasmus scheme, which we have left and it is felt that the Turin scheme is not an adequate replacement.

Like DD he spends a lot of time scrabbling around for other sources of funds and writing proposals. DD's job is concentrated on the fundraising aspects. DS also has teaching and research responsibilitites. His dept can only hold their heads up internationally if their resaerch remains of a high enough quality.

Dilly the Gardener I'm not intending to be rude or attack you personally. But I'm genuinely interested to know why you thought Brexit wouldn't impact you in the way that it has.

I'm interested to know that NZ has good arts funding because I remember working with a girl from NZ in the sixties who'd moved to London because she was especially interested in ballet and there wasn't a company in NZ. In fact very little arts culture at that time.

I'm sorry that your son has moved to New Zealand - a long way got go for a visit.

Thank you for that honest post DillytheGardener.

I’ve stated on here previously I voted leave but it impacted me in ways I didn’t expect. Both my sons in completely different fields, one in a city job the other in the arts both left the U.K. Younger son’s job was moved to an EU country due to Brexit and with it the job market for that role shrunk significantly. He chose to move away from the U.K. as he wished to keep working in that field as his training was in that role and he could foresee a recession looming and wanted financial stability in order to get his foot on the housing ladder. Elder son worked in the arts funded by EU grants. He couldn’t move to the EU as doesn’t have any EU heritage to use so instead moved to NZ with his partner as the arts funding is good there. I voted for Brexit not really understanding the implications. I feel the government has a duty of care to make sure that Brexit doesn’t set us back, and Boris Johnson hasn’t behaved in a diplomatic manner towards the EU so why would they want to give us any concessions?

growstuff

No pandemic stopped the Erasmus scheme. When will you just accept that the government has reneged on some of the promises it made? It lied - there's no other word for it.

I couldn't agree more with this. I respect the fact that some people have different opinions - and I also recognise that there was a case to be made for Brexit which, for some, was convincing.

But the acceptance and repetition of all the lies, without even a no at a critical appraisal of them, just smacks of desperation.

Catastrophic post brexit cuts to UK science funding

www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/31/uk-scientists-funding-cuts-grants-foreign-aid

DD is (hopefully) coming to the end of a couple of months on furlough caused, not by COVID, but Brexit.

Her job is organising funding for research projects, projects which are part of that wonderful scientific research led future that Boris sees ahead for us.

Unfortunately, most of the funding came from joint EU research funds, and we are no longer part of the EU and because Brexit was so rushed, nothing was done about sorting funding out and untangling UK funds until after Brexit happened.

So no funding, no research because of the lack of funding and people like her and the scientists doing the researching, sitting on their hands and whistling in the wind. She is lucky, she is on furlough, but a lot of scientists rely on research contracts, for work, so they are unemployed.

DD hopes to be back at work in mid-April, when the new funding system will be up and implemented, but funding contracts takes time and it will be at least June before the money comes through.

So six months of research time wasted doing nothing just waiting for funding flows to be reorganised. the same money, but in different places.

simtib

The whole leave campaign was a disgrace. It's main focus was on keeping the immigrants out and the vote showed this country up for what we are. It completely ignored the disastrous effect it is was going to have on many peoples lives keeping the immigrants was what mattered.

I have relatives in US and Australia, over the years quite a few parcels in both directions were sent, they were complicated and expensive to ship. So leaving the EU the hassle with delivery and cost is not a surprise to me, I’m just glad I don’t live in NI, where the best option is to buy from ROI.

I have just received a Mother's Day gift from Italy.
It cost my son 44 euros plus shipping/duty taking it to around 70 euros.

I've just paid £27 to receive it.
?
It's obviously the thought that counts.... but like the Christmas token gifts (in the OP), not a thought I expect he will be having again any time soon.

Just read this article on the effect Brexit is having on small businesses.
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/29/small-business-exports-fall-eu-survey-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw
Many are finding the red tape and delays to their exports mean it is no longer viable for them to continue to trade with EU. Big firms can get round this by opening an office in EU. Again, it is the ‘little’ person, as per thread title, that is suffering.

it would have been the status quo so no big changes anywhere.

I know the 90/180 rule was there previously but it was not actually applied by most of the countries. Now passports will be stamped each time you cross the border. Because of the pattern of our visits to France before we decided to move we did not stay more than three months at a time and about 5 months maximum over the year,
It will affect people who divided their lives between Europe and U.K. if they wish to stay for a six month stint. That is when they will need the new visa and I think they are limited in number.
There are a good few in France who are not in the system so will find thing more difficult. They are also likely to be found out - many have thought that if they pay tax in U.K. and earn no money in France they are safe but that is not how it works and you must register for income tax to live here legally.