Gransnet forums

News & politics

Some effects of Brexit on unimportant people

(113 Posts)
Froglady Sat 27-Mar-21 08:52:54

NannyJan53

It is so upsetting isn't it? Why oh why have so many voted for causing all this extra paperwork and costs? All these barriers now to be overcome. We have definitely regressed, but then I suppose that is what some wanted, back to the 19th Century

But, we do have Blue Passports! hmm so thats ok then.

People weren't given this sort of information when they voted.

NannyJan53 Sat 27-Mar-21 08:45:04

It is so upsetting isn't it? Why oh why have so many voted for causing all this extra paperwork and costs? All these barriers now to be overcome. We have definitely regressed, but then I suppose that is what some wanted, back to the 19th Century

But, we do have Blue Passports! hmm so thats ok then.

growstuff Sat 27-Mar-21 08:34:28

A friend of mine is a professional gardener. He ordered 80 bare rooted fruit trees last autumn for planting this month in a new orchard. Unfortunately, the Dutch supplier will no longer deliver because the red tape and shipping would be prohibitively expensive. He's just spent the last week trying to source the trees from a UK supplier, but hasn't been able to find 80. That's absolutely nothing to do with Covid, but Brexit.

vegansrock Sat 27-Mar-21 08:01:35

I’ve had to order a component that comes from Sweden it cost £135. - it would have been £100 before January. It clearly stars on the checkout - rise in price due to Brexit and then itemises the taxes etc. No I can’t buy it in the u.k. or I would have done so.

growstuff Sat 27-Mar-21 00:00:46

The pandemic hasn't made it more difficult and expensive for people to live and work in the EU. Brexit has. Stop telling porkies!

growstuff Fri 26-Mar-21 23:59:32

No pandemic stopped the Erasmus scheme. When will you just accept that the government has reneged on some of the promises it made? It lied - there's no other word for it.

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 23:26:21

No, I meant this ...

The other evening during the PM's briefing I heard Laura Kuenssberg point out that it's not just about people missing their two week summer holidays abroad, it's also about those with family living abroad whom they haven't been able to see for over a year now.

Brexit hasn’t caused this situation.
It’s the pandemic and restrictions due to it.

MaizieD Fri 26-Mar-21 23:21:43

^ I think some of the fall out here is from the pandemic, not Brexit only^

Oh really? Re a lly...

So it's the pandemic that is to blame for all the non tariff barriers that are increasing the paperwork and costs for both exporting to and importing from the EU. The barriers that are talked about in the thread I posted.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how the pandemic is imposing all the paperwork and extra costs. And the long delays in customs so that a present of cake to a son is rotten when it arrives.

This has nothing at all to do with the divisiveness of referendums. This is about damaging people's lives and livelihoods.

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 23:02:44

A referendum is held on divisive topics with polarised opinions. I think some of the fall out here is from the pandemic, not Brexit only. A Scottish referendum if it happens again soon will be equally divisive. The result will suit some and not others.

MaizieD Fri 26-Mar-21 22:54:54

Polarbear2

No idea what to say but didn’t want to just bypass your post. It’s criminal is what it is.

Thanks. No need to say anything.

I'm still in admiration of your masterly analysis of our Glorious Leader on another thread yesterday. grin

It's the indifference to the adverse effects on ordinary people's lives which really upsets me.

Polarbear2 Fri 26-Mar-21 22:45:00

No idea what to say but didn’t want to just bypass your post. It’s criminal is what it is.

Ginny42 Fri 26-Mar-21 21:26:51

The other evening during the PM's briefing I heard Laura Kuenssberg point out that it's not just about people missing their two week summer holidays abroad, it's also about those with family living abroad whom they haven't been able to see for over a year now.

I was so moved I could have wept. That's the first time I've felt someone recognised that for people like me there is just an enormous void in our lives. I haven't seen my DD and DGS for 14 months and it's very hard to stay focused and not to give in to feeling defeated by this prolonged absence. If I send a parcel now, they have to pay on it at the other end!

Re: Erasmus. I was employed on the Erasmus scheme and it's not just the young people missing out on the wonderful opportunities who are affected. Tutors have lost their jobs, along with all the income for local organisers, host families, room hire in Universities and catering staff and all the money spent on sightseeing, theatre visits, refreshments and shopping.

It was so inspirational to go into European schools and organise exchanges between English teachers and pupils. All gone. Our young people will be the losers, because those countries will continue to benefit from the wider educational and cultural experiences.

MaizieD Fri 26-Mar-21 20:37:15

A twitter thread by Financial Times journalist, Peter Foster.

Some people may find it very sad.

We write a lot about the impact of Brexit on business (rightly) but what about the impact on individuals - and it’s not just about the money! As me and @DanielThomasLDN report her for @FinancialTimes Stay with me... /1

Brexit is about building back barriers - economic but also social and cultural with Europe - and these barriers are built back by increment. Just as gravity impacts trade, so it impacts our social and cultural interactions. The bureaucracy created by Brexit does that...EG... /2

Adrian Bagley, a semi-retired architect who buys and sells model trains from collectors in the EU on the Catawiki auction website...he's been doing it for years. It gives him great pleasure interacting with buyers n sellers from Romania or Austria /3

It's a hobby. It's not life and death, and Mr Bagley excepts ultimately his travails are trivial - but new rules on VAT and the 'handling charges' that parcel companies charge have permanently disadvantaged him with EU contacts /4

I feel like a semi-invisible barrier has come down between me and all those countries I had previously been on the same footing with, when we were all following the same rules. Now I feel I’ve been cut off by duties and so-called ‘handling charges’,” he says. /5

The barriers work both ways. An Italian collector who bought a train from Mr Bagley is cross that he suddenly has to pay VAT and charges on receipt - and Mr Bagley pays 25% effective surcharge on what he buys. (£53.56 in 20% VAT+ £12.50 handling fees on a €250.49 train) /6

This means that EU collectors low-ball his sales (coz they know charges are coming) and he can't compete on a level playing field for with EU bidders for an EU product, since they don't have VAT+ handling. Cry me a river, you say. Well, I do. /7

Similarly with José Martín Quesada who was sent some home baked pastries by his mother in Spain after Christmas which arrived rotten after weeks waiting for health certs etc. “My mother sent the most innocent parcel of home-cooked food and it was declared a biohazard.” /8

Cry me another river. Is Mr Quesada going to starve no? Was his Christmas ruined? Probably not. But his mother's attempt to show him some seasonal consideration was made impossible. Multiply these stories out by the thousands, tens of thousands, and it's a sorry tale I think/9

I've wrote about au pairs being blocked for no really good reason (to much mockery) but that's 50k cultural interactions a year - young Europeans meeting brits, learn English, young English kids meeting EU citizens, hearing languages...realising the world is round, not flat. /10

I've written about the outbound travel industry - young brits going to work in campsites and skiing chalets, running canoeing holidays or guiding musical tours...all that is now made measurably more difficult. Gravity will take it's toll./11

This week's Lords EU committee report on #Brexit and Services tells the story... here @SBIT_UK explains.

As I type UK companies are not signing chalet contracts that would create jobs for UK hires this summer./12

Sorry, image missing.

Again. Not the end of the world, things might get a bit pricier etc. But all just part of the incremental losses caused by building barriers that have material impact - if you have an Irish passport, say, you'll find it easier to get hired. Just a fact. /13

It's no good saying "we're out of the EU, not out of Europe" because a lot of European - the wiring under the plasterwork - is driving by EU rules and regulation. Over time, people will bother less, in both directions. /14

Similarly with the decision to drop Erasmus+. The Lords report worth reading on this, but the Turing scheme is nothing like a replacement and - again - ignores the reality that the EU is a our neighbour. It's another rock in the road. /15

Sorry, image missing

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1375381463252795395