A year of Starmer What do you think?

trisher

Galaxy

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

No one in the Red wall will vote for a Starmer party anyway. He is as I said a Remainer. Any idea why they would vote for watered down Tory polices Galaxy? Because I can't think of any. Why have fake cream when you cn get the real thing?

So that is absolutely no one who will vote for him in the previously Labour constituencies trisher? Do you really think anyone believes that? It is obviously what you want, but that doesn't make it so.

Brexit is over, gone and most people are getting on with their lives. That is what they will be interested in - their lives. We do know that if you voted in a Tory you are more likely to get money spent in your constituency. I would have thought that would have more influence - that is why our sly, devious, lying Prime Minister has done it.

Brexit is dead for the majority of voters; they have moved on. It has ceased to be; it is expired. It is bereft of life. Most people will want what they were promised from it and they are not going to get that. In 10 years we will have stopped talking about it (except for a cultish few) in 20 years it will be historically picked apart - possibly sooner.

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Anniebach

trisher who was the last far left Labour PM ?

Annie There are currently 33 of them en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Campaign_Group
I'd say watch Zarah Sultana for the future.

trisher who was the last far left Labour PM ?

PippaZ I don't see much point in a party which chucks the baby out with the bath water and that seems to be what Starmer is doing. He has contravened so many of the basics of the LP. I hoped he would unite the party but he seems determined to destroy it and its values.

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

Galaxy

I think they will vote for a party that to be honest stops pissing about on issues that are so far from their every day lives.

But Galaxy they voted Tory, so they will still do so. Why bother changing policies in that case?

trisher

I think Starmer has the great problem that he now appears to be in collusion with the group on the right working in the LP office who prevented the LP winning the 2017 election. The least he could have done was to allow the enquiry into the allegations to go ahead, but this now appears to have been sidelined and is unlikely to ever report. Starmer has paid off some of the accused and returned one to a post. Given that this small group possibly destroyed and almost certainly damaged democracy it seems extraordinary that he has behaved in such a way. I think the LP membership is coming to trust him less and less.

Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win trisher?

Anniebach

The right wingers didn’t lose the 2017 election, Corbyn did , he cannot be called a right winger .

Michael Foot gave us 18 years of tory government, certainly not a right winger

Annie there is substantial evidence that in 2017 people working in the LP office did not behave as they should have done to achieve a Labour victory. For example they failed to direct funds into marginal constituencies. Now much as you may dislike Corbyn I can't believe that you would condone such behaviour by unelected officials. If such things didn't happen then Starmer permitting the enquiry to report would have completely destroyed any discussion about this. The fact that he isn't doing so leaves him open to criticism and his assertion that he would unite the party as manifestly untrue.

I am not impressed by Starmer’s tweet today (see screenshot). Do we really want to base our economy on selling arms to regimes such as Saudi Arabia? Perhaps he could adopt the slogan’Bomb British’, I am sure the Yemenis would appreciate the quality of the bombs dropping on them.

Another tweet he’ll probably be apologising for later. How does he get this so spectacularly wrong?

The right wingers didn’t lose the 2017 election, Corbyn did , he cannot be called a right winger .

Michael Foot gave us 18 years of tory government, certainly not a right winger

I think they will vote for a party that to be honest stops pissing about on issues that are so far from their every day lives.

Yes winning elections is fairly important.

Galaxy

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

No one in the Red wall will vote for a Starmer party anyway. He is as I said a Remainer. Any idea why they would vote for watered down Tory polices Galaxy? Because I can't think of any. Why have fake cream when you cn get the real thing?

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

I think Starmer has the great problem that he now appears to be in collusion with the group on the right working in the LP office who prevented the LP winning the 2017 election. The least he could have done was to allow the enquiry into the allegations to go ahead, but this now appears to have been sidelined and is unlikely to ever report. Starmer has paid off some of the accused and returned one to a post. Given that this small group possibly destroyed and almost certainly damaged democracy it seems extraordinary that he has behaved in such a way. I think the LP membership is coming to trust him less and less.

Life moves on. A few people will always say they "will never vote for a Remainer" but the voters were older, some will die, the younger ones will have lives to get on with an "Brexit" the cult will fade in the shadow of ordinary life. I don't think the Tories can win on just that again. Add to that the Tory MPs themselves don't seem to overwhelmingly like or trust Johnson and he doesn't seem to stick at anything for long.

Who have they got and what have they got to offer without the circus act?

Whitewavemark2

trisher

I wonder how anyone imagines Starmer will regain the "Red Wall" he will always be remembered there as a Remainer.

That may not be such a bad thing as the Brexit effect gradually takes hold.

Ah but now there's Covid to blame for the bad bits and Brexit gave us the best vaccination programme.

trisher

I wonder how anyone imagines Starmer will regain the "Red Wall" he will always be remembered there as a Remainer.

That may not be such a bad thing as the Brexit effect gradually takes hold.

I wonder how anyone imagines Starmer will regain the "Red Wall" he will always be remembered there as a Remainer.

The problem is people don’t see Hoyle as aiding Johnson because he’s Labour. Politics is quite bonkers these days....

It must be very difficult to argue with Johnson just now, without appearing to be willing to put the public at risk over the pandemic. The responsible thing to do is provide a united front, but it must be very frustrating for him.

I think that what must be frustrating for him is seeing Johnson put the public at risk, knowing how it could be avoided and and not being able to do much about it. He's been ahead of Johnson most of the time.

The only thing I'd criticise him for in relation to the pandemic was making such a point of getting the children back to school after the first lock down; when it really wasn't very safe.

Goodness, how I wish that Bercow was still Speaker. I have watched just about every PMQs since last April and Johnson hasn't answered any question, or told the truth, in all that time. What a waste of space Hoyle is...

It must be very difficult to argue with Johnson just now, without appearing to be willing to put the public at risk over the pandemic. The responsible thing to do is provide a united front, but it must be very frustrating for him.

When we come out the other side, I hope that Sir Kier can insist upon a proper independent enquiry that will show what worked and what didn't, and how much was spent on what, and that the government can be judged on their performance, rather than their pre-arranged statements in what have become party-political TV briefings. After that, he will be able to show us all what he's made of.

I still think he will step down before the election campaign, though, and I am even more sure that whoever is leader they won't be fighting Johnson - he will leave when the economy rises post-pandemic, and before it tanks soon thereafter, so his successor will have the Brexit fallout and the Covid bill to sort out, whilst he goes off to play happy families and watch from the sidelines while waiting to see his name in the history books.

I don't think I had much hope for Biden three years ago so I live in hope. Starmer is competent and intelligent and knows his way around the law. If he does win a future election I hope they have a drains-up on all Johnson's spending.