A year of Starmer What do you think?

You would need to read the views.of lesbians who explained why it was offensive, and how that expectation is something they deal with on a regular basis. It was really quite moving as I hadnt considered that viewpoint before. He didnt say women he said lesbians. There was a reason for that. It was interesting to read peoples experiences and how it made them feel. So if I say I believe sex is a reality and impacts on womens lives then people cant blame me for their feelings on that subject either. Which was the point I was making about OJs behaviour towards his fellow journalist. He thought SM was discriminatory towards transwomen, many lesbians thought he was discriminatory towards them. Its interesting whose feelings gets priority.

I'm on the fence. He isn't really left wing enough for me, but given that he is what we've got, I am watchfully waiting. I don't want to bash him, although IMO, his actions around the anti semitism issue were terrible. I understand he was trying to draw a line, but he alienated a LOT of supporters.

Galaxy

It doesnt matter what my views are on it to be honest. I have strong views on surrogacy for example but none on co parenting. But many lesbians found that tweet deeply offensive, and I read a number of their views on how they are often faced with that kind of expectation/entitlement and how difficult it is. Why are their feelings of discrimination not counted, who gets to decide that.

Anyone is entitled to their feelings but they aren't entitled to blame others for their feelings. They don't like what he said fair enough they can say so. But "using bodies" implies lack of choice or consent and I don't think he said that. He simply thought co-parenting would be nice and he might like to try it. Presumably with other consenting adults. How is that expectation or entitlement? How is it discrimination? He hsn't said they have to agree with him, they must co parent or made any other demands.

Andy Burnham was the best Health Secretary ever from the NHS’ perspective, he was very widely respected in the service. I don’t think his services will be called on in the near future, but I do think the national party need to work closely with the Labour mayors, most of whom stormed it in these elections.

I hope though that the reshuffle brings back some of the hard hitters from the Brown era, that’s what the party needs. One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is that despite the terrible press about the results in the council elections, Labour actually made a 1% gain in vote share - not anywhere near as much as ideal, but progress from the Corbyn doldrums. They need time to rebuild, and there was the COVID management effect, so the timing was bad - but there are also some green shoots of recovery.

MayBee70

greenlady102

While I haven't fact checked it, my first impression is that the article from the OP isn't from an entirely unbiased source. I do however have one thing which sticks in my craw about SKS, which others may think is petty but to me its a straw in the wind.
When he first appeared in the media, numerous online articles said that his wife, who is a lawyer but not registered as currently practicing worked in the NHS as an Occupational Therapist. I was one before I retired and know that this is a protected title so I checked the register and contacted the health professions council when I found that she was not listed. They dealt with it and magically the online info was changed to "works in occupational health" or vanished all together. Now from my experience in the NHS, the only qualified/registered people who work in or for Occupational Health are nurses, medics and therapists plus non qualified admin support. She isn't registered as any of those and I doubt that she types or files for them.....
yes I know this all sounds a bit psycho but I honestly would not care if KS didn't wave his wife's alleged NHS employment as a political point score but not say what it is that she does....she is absolutely entitled to her privacy, both her and the kids but he needs to shut up about it in public.
For me its a straw in the wind......

btw I know its a long shot but does anybody know of their own knowledge ie not from googling, what it is that she does do?

That is interesting and thank you for bringing it up. All I will say is that, unlike Carrie Symonds I doubt if she’s been sacked from a job for fraudulent behaviour (which doesn’t seem to get mentioned given that most of the government and people involved with them seem to have been sacked at one time or another which includes the PM and the Home Secretary: the Education Secretary as well I believe). But it is a valid point and I would like to find out more.

But we don't know that (fraudulent behaviour) or anything else....and again her right but he should shut up about it.

It doesnt matter what my views are on it to be honest. I have strong views on surrogacy for example but none on co parenting. But many lesbians found that tweet deeply offensive, and I read a number of their views on how they are often faced with that kind of expectation/entitlement and how difficult it is. Why are their feelings of discrimination not counted, who gets to decide that.

greenlady102

While I haven't fact checked it, my first impression is that the article from the OP isn't from an entirely unbiased source. I do however have one thing which sticks in my craw about SKS, which others may think is petty but to me its a straw in the wind.
When he first appeared in the media, numerous online articles said that his wife, who is a lawyer but not registered as currently practicing worked in the NHS as an Occupational Therapist. I was one before I retired and know that this is a protected title so I checked the register and contacted the health professions council when I found that she was not listed. They dealt with it and magically the online info was changed to "works in occupational health" or vanished all together. Now from my experience in the NHS, the only qualified/registered people who work in or for Occupational Health are nurses, medics and therapists plus non qualified admin support. She isn't registered as any of those and I doubt that she types or files for them.....
yes I know this all sounds a bit psycho but I honestly would not care if KS didn't wave his wife's alleged NHS employment as a political point score but not say what it is that she does....she is absolutely entitled to her privacy, both her and the kids but he needs to shut up about it in public.
For me its a straw in the wind......

btw I know its a long shot but does anybody know of their own knowledge ie not from googling, what it is that she does do?

That is interesting and thank you for bringing it up. All I will say is that, unlike Carrie Symonds I doubt if she’s been sacked from a job for fraudulent behaviour (which doesn’t seem to get mentioned given that most of the government and people involved with them seem to have been sacked at one time or another which includes the PM and the Home Secretary: the Education Secretary as well I believe). But it is a valid point and I would like to find out more.

I don’t know much about Andy Burnham but DH who remembers a lot more about politics than I do doesn’t trust him at all. He says he goes whichever way the wind is blowing. Of the two of them I’d trust Keir totally. For some reason I’ve always liked him and family members that have met him have been very impressed with him. I do think that, with him what you see is what you get. Which unfortunately doesn’t seem to appeal to voters who prefer the all singing all dancing breed of politician. I actually wish he wouldn’t do the Johnson type photo shoots because it isn’t him. Apart from the wallpaper one which was funny.

Galaxy

For babies.

So you don't think gay men can be parents? I beleive what he said was that he would be interested in co-parenting with a lesbian couple. If all parties agree I can't see how that is using anyone. Or perhaps all women are "using" men's sperm to have babies???

I'd be far more interested to see if the Welsh Labour leader Mark Drayford would be interested in spreading his success into England.

His intention is to step down partway through this term when he reaches 70 trisher.

Galaxy

But you are right there is zero chance of OJ becoming leader I think it's more likely that Ant and Dec would take the role.

The sad thing is that, if they were leader the LP would win. Ditto if EdBalls came back into politics because he’s now a ‘celeb’.

For babies.

Galaxy

OJ believes womens bodies should be for his use, many women found that deeply sexist and many lesbians found it deeply homophobic. Presumably they can get him sacked then or does their discrimination not count.

I don't understand this- he is gay. What is his interest in using "women's bodies"?

Galaxy

I am not in either of those cults, do I need a cult, where do I find one I like

I always remember Spike Milligan, when told that he had a cult following replying ‘yes, I am a bit of a cult aren’t I’....

OJ believes womens bodies should be for his use, many women found that deeply sexist and many lesbians found it deeply homophobic. Presumably they can get him sacked then or does their discrimination not count.

Galaxy

I am not in either of those cults, do I need a cult, where do I find one I like

best way is to make up your own

trisher

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.
I'd be far more interested to see if the Welsh Labour leader Mark Drayford would be interested in spreading his success into England.

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.

Quite agree, I just threw in my opinion about him because someone had mentioned him. I had no idea he was loathed in certain corners.

I believe Andy Burnham would be good as leader.

I know there are candidates who others would prefer

She didnt.

While I haven't fact checked it, my first impression is that the article from the OP isn't from an entirely unbiased source. I do however have one thing which sticks in my craw about SKS, which others may think is petty but to me its a straw in the wind.
When he first appeared in the media, numerous online articles said that his wife, who is a lawyer but not registered as currently practicing worked in the NHS as an Occupational Therapist. I was one before I retired and know that this is a protected title so I checked the register and contacted the health professions council when I found that she was not listed. They dealt with it and magically the online info was changed to "works in occupational health" or vanished all together. Now from my experience in the NHS, the only qualified/registered people who work in or for Occupational Health are nurses, medics and therapists plus non qualified admin support. She isn't registered as any of those and I doubt that she types or files for them.....
yes I know this all sounds a bit psycho but I honestly would not care if KS didn't wave his wife's alleged NHS employment as a political point score but not say what it is that she does....she is absolutely entitled to her privacy, both her and the kids but he needs to shut up about it in public.
For me its a straw in the wind......

btw I know its a long shot but does anybody know of their own knowledge ie not from googling, what it is that she does do?

Galaxy

No trisher as I dont believe in cults I dont think that anyone who believes TWAW is a bad person. My closest friend believes that for example. I think that men who try to get women sacked for holding a different view to them are not good people. OJ cant cope with women who hold a different view to him. He sees women as vessels basically.

If a woman is in a position where holding views which influenced how she treated individuals working in the same organisation, like refusing to acknowledge a transwoman as a woman, then I'm sorry she would have to go. Just as a man who believed women were somehow inferior would also have to go. Anyone who openly discriminates against any other person should be regarded as sackable.

But you are right there is zero chance of OJ becoming leader I think it's more likely that Ant and Dec would take the role.

No trisher as I dont believe in cults I dont think that anyone who believes TWAW is a bad person. My closest friend believes that for example. I think that men who try to get women sacked for holding a different view to them are not good people. OJ cant cope with women who hold a different view to him. He sees women as vessels basically.

It's my personal opinion that Starmer can barely oppose his thumbs never mind the Tories. I've even been known to wonder if he's a Tory infiltrator. Anyway, with him at the helm Labour's going to self destruct sooner rather than later.

eazybee

Yes, Boris had given them seven years.
Not offering to take on another job the day after he was elected, so nice for all the people who have worked tooth and nail, unpaid, to get him elected.

You do realise he didn’t say that don’t you? But hey this is GN - I suppose being a Johnson supporter means having a pretty elastic relationship with the facts

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.
I'd be far more interested to see if the Welsh Labour leader Mark Drayford would be interested in spreading his success into England.