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suziewoozie Mon 12-Apr-21 10:52:14

I can hardly believe I’m going to post this but does anyone else find it hard to believe that Harry and Andrew who actually saw active service for Queen and country are to wear suits for the funeral rather than uniform? I understand why this decision has been made and I think it stinks quite frankly - designed to humlitate. I don’t know why they’re not wearing sackcloth and ashes actually - petty, vindictive, what a lovely family they are.

Alegrias1 Wed 14-Apr-21 09:26:11

Latest in the occasional series "You couldn't make it up".

Andrew wants to go as an admiral.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9467689/Prince-Andrew-wants-wear-military-attire-Prince-Philips-funeral.html

Elegran Wed 14-Apr-21 09:18:04

maddyone

Pretty much like everyone else on here, I have no idea whether The Duchess of Sussex has informed a ‘friend’ who then informed the media that she forgives the RF of whatever she has accused them of, but apparently it’s been reported that this is the case.
It’s certainly not the accustomed way of forgiving someone. This is merely my observation.

Also it is not customary to expect reconciliation without making it clear who you want to be reconciled with, and exactly what for. She and her husband had separated themselves by their own choice from the life which they could have led as an active part of the Royal Family, and gone to carve out their own path. Then the accusations were made in the very public Oprah Winfrey interview, of unspecified people at an unspecified time and place saying things which she interpreted as insults. As a result, the whole family of her inlaws is under suspicion of spiteful discrimination against her and of behaving in ways for which they could be charged under British law. By not giving specific names, she has avoided libel laws, but she has tarred with the same brush people who were not involved, and she will need to receive forgiveness from them all, individually, before the combined family can be totally reconciled to her.

The forgiveness has to go both ways. She will have to either take up her complaints with the individuals concerned or make her peace individually with them. That may take the form of an official complaint and legal action where appropriate, or it may take private correspondence and clarification, but having raised the subject, she must carry it through, and not leave it vague. If she sorts out the very public abuse that she dished out, she is in a better position to claim the moral high ground over the abuse that she feels she received.

EllanVannin Tue 13-Apr-21 21:15:29

Made me wonder too 3nanny6. I'm good at sussing though.smile

3nanny6 Tue 13-Apr-21 20:49:43

EllaVannin : the post you spoke about for using a wrong word makes me wonder why it was reported and you were also banned.
So many words get used on G.N and sometimes nothing is said..
If something gets our hackles up it can be difficult to forget.
Try to let it just go over your head and forget if you can.

3nanny6 Tue 13-Apr-21 20:45:41

PeasBlossom: Thank -you your apology is accepted. I did not answer sooner as I had to dash out when I suddenly remembered I had a dental appointment.

Not many things upset me but when a poster suggests I am a racist and then others jump in and comment it is upsetting and truly hurts.

Anyway apology is good and I can move on.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 19:55:06

JaneJudge

Posts on all sides regarding the Royal family sound a bit Simon Pegg at times
I love being a rationalist but it's lonely

You are right of course.
This is the first time that I have dipped my toe into such nerdom and am entirely regretting it, as I have studiously avoided it for years?. I will now put my sensible hat back on.

Thank you for reminding me?

Callistemon Tue 13-Apr-21 19:52:45

And what all this comes down to is that this thread is all about what the family are going to wear for the funeral of a beloved father and grandfather!

?

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 19:52:32

Most families wouldn’t have a family member who would be eager to go on television and make accusations against their family .

Whitewave would you give an interview to a television company accusing your family of really vicious actions ? If not
would you share any hurts on this forum ? Or would you have no cause to because there are no problems within your blood family or your in laws.

JaneJudge Tue 13-Apr-21 19:48:34

Posts on all sides regarding the Royal family sound a bit Simon Pegg at times
I love being a rationalist but it's lonely

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 19:40:26

Strewth! Talk about a kangaroo court.

This is a family fracas - something that happens in so many families. Most families eventually reconcile their differences, provided everyone can go that distance, and good for them. You have to put aside your grievances for the greater good.

I wouldn’t fancy being in the wrong with some posters I wouldnt stand a cat in hells chance.

eazybee Tue 13-Apr-21 19:39:00

Meghan Markle is under investigation, concerning:

Accusations of bullying from several former staff.

The secret wedding; the Archbishop of Canterbury forced to state publicly that it would have been illegal to have signed the marriage certificate if he had married them previously.

Accusation of racism against an un named royal personage; sufficient for an ordinary person to lose their job.

Not exchanges made in a heated but private family row but calculated and prepared for an interview to be broadcast world wide.

Elegran Tue 13-Apr-21 19:30:25

Maybe she has written privately to them. We don't know, because we have not been told.

What has been reported has been a mention by a third party of what Meghan feels. That is hearsay and would not be accepted as evidence. When and if she herself expresses her wishes and takes steps to make the "conciliation" become reality, then it will be time for the Royal Family to decide whether to "accept her attempt with open arms."

Note that saying you grant forgiveness is not the same as removing the accusations. A pardon leaves the crime still standing. The traditional unanswerable taunt, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" which leaves a husband damned whether he replies yes or no, presupposes that the beatings were a fact, and a repeated one. If there is a question over whether the bruises were intentional or accidental, granting or accepting "forgiveness" or a "pardon" confirms them as deliberate and meant to cause harm.

Summerlove Tue 13-Apr-21 18:56:13

Anniebach

Whitewave

As there has been no attempt extended there is nothing to react to.

But how do you know?

suziewoozie Tue 13-Apr-21 18:49:05

Alegrias1

Anniebach

Claudia Winkleman’s half sister is Lady Frederick Windsor so possibly she was speaking the truth . Doubt Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor will be at the funeral though.

Strangely enough, I knew that. confused

Gosh do you think that either of them has been gossiping ?Perish the thought.

Alegrias1 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:44:54

Anniebach

Claudia Winkleman’s half sister is Lady Frederick Windsor so possibly she was speaking the truth . Doubt Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor will be at the funeral though.

Strangely enough, I knew that. confused

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:40:26

So I take it that your answer would be that you wouldn’t be prepared to reach out to your family member in the same position?

Every one is different I guess.

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 18:35:51

Whitewave

As there has been no attempt extended there is nothing to react to.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:32:35

I was talking hypothetically, and wondering how you would react if you were in the same position as the Queen or DoC or PC?

For myself? I would accept her attempt with open arms.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:30:21

Anniebach

Whitewave

Imagine that you have a member of your family like the DoS and you found yourself in a similar position.

Would your Christian values hold strong enough to be able to accept her attempts at reconciliation and you would accept her apparent attempts at face value?

Whitewave

You are confused , Meg hasn’t made any attempts at reconciliation, so there is nothing to accept.

How do you know?

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 18:28:34

Whitewave

Imagine that you have a member of your family like the DoS and you found yourself in a similar position.

Would your Christian values hold strong enough to be able to accept her attempts at reconciliation and you would accept her apparent attempts at face value?

Whitewave

You are confused , Meg hasn’t made any attempts at reconciliation, so there is nothing to accept.

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 18:21:31

Claudia Winkleman’s half sister is Lady Frederick Windsor so possibly she was speaking the truth . Doubt Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor will be at the funeral though.

eazybee Tue 13-Apr-21 18:09:08

I heard the statement about 'forgiveness' on the BBC Radio 4 news at 5.30am this morning, also the fact that she would not be attending the funeral because' she did not want to be the centre of attention.' That made me laugh out loud.

I did not mean to talk about MM on any of these threads; they are supposed to be about Prince Philip, whatever is said about him.

Pantglas2 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:09:02

“Well, I was just talking about on here, this whole thread has loads of attacks on one poster. I hadn't realised it was an 'attack' on the Royal family. I imagine we have all more in common with one another on here than with the Royal family. None of us have any idea what other people are going through, can't you all just be a bit more kinder to one another.”

Actually, Jane, I have more in common with the Royal family than folks who describe them as petty and vindictive in their hour of grief.

I totally agree about the kindness, all round, but people can’t be dishing insults and name calling out then complaining when others do it to them, which is what happened.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 18:03:02

eazybee

The point is we don't know anything is true bearing in mind that she made statements that have proved to be false, ie the 'private' wedding three days that was untrue. MM is in no position to 'forgive' anyone until the statements she has made are investigated and verified.

We are talking about a family for heavens sake, not someone who is under investigation.

Get a grip!

As for the “private wedding”

I think what they did was to exchange vows in the presence of the AoC. No doubt a rather romantic gesture to exchange their vows privately where it absolutely means everything to them alone, and they felt married after the exchange of such private vows. The legal wedding took place in the full, gaze of the world.

Callistemon Tue 13-Apr-21 17:57:25

Is it not better to assume the best rather than the worst of a person?

Never assume anything!
That way leads to obfuscation and confusion.

Aren't we always being asked for evidence on GN?