Wills and Harry rift blown out of proportion

But the marriage can't be private;it has to be open to the public in case anyone wants to object; and there have to be two witnesses. So; we don't do 'private' weddings.

Anniebach

And spare a thought for the Anglican priests who had to tell
couples - ‘sorry no, you can’t have a private marriage in the garden ‘, only to hear ‘Harry and Megan did’

Actually you probably can, you would need to get your place registered as a wedding venue and have a registrar present, I’ve forgotten the cost of that but that’s just what wedding venues do.

Lucca I know Charles is in Wales, I read William has returned to Sandringham, not read or heard Harry has flown home.

I hope they did talk

They can Skype .

Am not as au fait as you with every movement of the RF. I am only saying that the Times article says they met at Frogmore and talked. The current tenants seemingly made themselves scarce for the (possibly short ? Who knows?) meeting.

So if a rather tactless wrong description of what happen in the garden can the same be said of the rest of the interview ?

Has Charles or William said they are talking ? Or the press ?

Prince Charles is in Wales, William in Norfolk and Harry in Windsor

Anniebach

That some believed the lie of the secret marriage shows some will believe all their other lies, and will be supported by republicans not because they believe the lies but they are pleased mud was thrown at the royal family.

Who “believed “ ? Surely not so much a lie as a rather tactless wrong description of what happened? Just a thought, but if people prefer to call it a lie so be it.

Anyway back to the thread subject...... many families have disagreements ending with brief or prolonged rifts. Often these can be fixed with talking, as I understand Charles harry and William are doing., so that’s good.

What a relief to find people who do not simply lap up all they see or read in the papers and such an excellent point about the body language! I never forget attending the filming of a tv production, it was a real eye opener into how the audience are “encouraged” until the right atmosphere for the particular programme is achieved. As for duty duty duty, there are people who do just that because they know nothing else and simply cannot contemplate a life not working, it’s part of their DNA and I am seeing some of their offspring follow the same pattern.

That some believed the lie of the secret marriage shows some will believe all their other lies, and will be supported by republicans not because they believe the lies but they are pleased mud was thrown at the royal family.

Algerias1 - ???

Alegrias1

I can see the headline now: ^Meghan ruins the weddings of thousands of disappointed Brits - archbishop complicit^

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universe

That made me laugh. It's like a different university.

You have a vivid imagination Alegrias1 , did you not say you
use to work in advertising ?

I can see the headline now: Meghan ruins the weddings of thousands of disappointed Brits - archbishop complicit

Anniebach

And spare a thought for the Anglican priests who had to tell
couples - ‘sorry no, you can’t have a private marriage in the garden ‘, only to hear ‘Harry and Megan did’

Yes indeed. I'm sure that little exaggeration has caused no end of hurt among those struggling with trying to arrange a meaningful wedding during a pandemic.

It's a real pity the archbishop didn't knock it on the head straight away.

So much is said of her life of luxury, what sacrifices she may have made because of her dedication to her Coronation vows

She won't take on Queen Victoria's role of "the widow of Windsor", locking herself away after her husband and consort Albertn died aged only 42, and refusing to come out of her seclusion for ten years.

She is small, she is a widow, she is Queen, she is a human being, she like us all, has emotions, she will continue as she has always done from a youngster, duty, duty, duty.

Her mother and sister died within 3 months , she continued with her duty.

I think she will miss him when she next goes to Balmoral, they
love it there .

Elegran, you're on a roll tonight

We know what the reaction would have been had the media concentrated on the other picture, Alegrias - shock horror that she had "chosen" to have the (fill in your own epithet) Andrew sitting so close to her. That would have gone round the world, too, without even an explanation that Andrew is the second son, the eldest being across from the Queen in a corr4esponding position, and the eldest (only) daughter being just along a bit from Andrew.

Just as the chosen picture has no explanation of how long she sat alone before the rest of her family joined her. The implication is that she had no support from her unfeeling and ultra-formal family. Of course what we see in the media is manipulated. It is manipulated to such a degree that most people don't even suspect it.

Interestingly I thought of this after I made my last post...

I'm not a monarchist, as most of you will probably know. But I would like to think that the Queen is not a small sad, widow, at least not only that. I would like to think that she continues her life of duty and would not wish to be thought of as a "small sad widow". I liked the image of her as she arrived at the chapel, when she looked behind her; I thought she was looking for her lady in waiting, as usual, wanting everything to be correct.

For me, that would be a better image; still in charge, still the Queen.

As for the "body language expert" who built a whole story on a hand position, hadn't he noticed all the other hands in his photo? Didn't he know - as part of his expertise - of the way that the serving military are trained to hold their hands when marching in formation, fists closed and thumbs forward? and the importance of training and habit in body language? Most of the men in that photo were ex-forces, and all would have been in the OTC at school.

Very well put Elegran.

We all know that the Queen will have to complete her reign on her own, and I find it just a bit manipulative on behalf of the press to keep showing us that this is the case.

I don't think that this is necessarily what the RF wants us to think about, I don't presume to know their minds. But I know the development of a constructed narrative in the press when I see one.

Namsnanny The photograph that has been in all the media was of the Queen sitting alone for the few minutes that it took for those who walked with the coffin to arrive at the chapel and join her. After that she had her son two seats away (the same spacing that is mandatory everywhere under CoVid rules) and some more of her family a few seats along from that, and behind her. Yet the picture that was chosen to appear by most papers (and the internet) was of her totally isolated in the choir.

It is a very powerful image of a widow, and one which everyone who has lost a partner will relate to, but was still chosen, out of all those of the whole family grieving a father, grandfather and greatgrandfather.