What I think will happen tomorrow

I am just hoping that Starmer bought enough wallpaper whilst he was in John Lewis to paper over the cracks in the Labour party!

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 as for your last sentence, I am not taking it personally and getting offended

I hoped to point out that continued all encompassing statements regarding far right is as futile as a Conservative calling out the looney left, (which I would respectfully point out I would never do)

Neither extreme position is helpful or constructive, and to continue to stereotype folks will get us (GN posters) or the UK anywhere.

Agree totally with what you are saying. Said similar myself, but as new on her forgot to quote, ?

Which bit?

Really, such a generalisation again.

Lin52

What an awful generalisation of Conservative voters, you are as bad as those who denigrate all Labour voters as uneducated, benefit scroungers.

What are you referring to Lin52?

To those who don't know who Shaun Baily is - you're missing nothing.

What an awful generalisation of Conservative voters, you are as bad as those who denigrate all Labour voters as uneducated, benefit scroungers.

Turnout is usually around 52%. I have been hearing that turnout is around 55% - so up slightly.

We’ve given up voting. No politician makes a difference. We don’t have democracy, we have the party/person best liked by the media. The only decent politician who could have been infuencial was castigated by the media and kicked out of the party on a bogus claim of anti-semitism, even though membership rocketed when he was leader. Instead we’ve got good old Boris secretly giving multi-million contacts to his cronies - while my two categories of PIP went up by 20p a week each, and my work pension by 11p a month!

trisher

Urmstongran -we agree about something!

I agree too. Don’t understand it but agree it’s the cause.

Lin52

So you think Labour and their cabinet don’t live rent free when in power, remember the criminals, jailed, in the Labour Party. Morley, Illsley, Onasanya, Shah, suspended for racist smears, and the biggest one of all Dennis MacShane. So pot kettle black comes to mind.

Cabinets live rent free? What are you talking about.Some cabinet posts (few) have official residences and all qualifying MPs are entitled to accommodation in London ( within financial limits)

So you think Labour and their cabinet don’t live rent free when in power, remember the criminals, jailed, in the Labour Party. Morley, Illsley, Onasanya, Shah, suspended for racist smears, and the biggest one of all Dennis MacShane. So pot kettle black comes to mind.

Urmstongran

I predict a low turnout of anti-Boris posters on this thread today.

Stop being goady ?

No, you're right, no matter. But I hate to see people taking credit for things that have been said before by other people. Just my way

I didn’t say I was the first.
No matter.
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Oh dear, some very divisive, and possible untruths on here. I voted yesterday, hopefully for the betterment of my area, which the current incumbents have tried to do, you cannot spend money you haven’t got, you have to take care of the vulnerable. Crime needs to be reduced, hence why Khan in London needs a stopper on his wasteful ness,and lost after spending 250,000 on a statue toppling commission, more police would have been of benefit to Londoners, more helping those youngsters in the grip of criminals. To me Labour do nothing but criticise, do not offer valid alternatives, are just not offering a valid opposition. Our previous Labour council wanted to rip up a well working traffic system, in hock to developers, costing millions in new traffic lights well they lost, the new council kept it with extra safety additions, working well. Local councils, and London are there to work for the local communities, not put their own spin on what is politically correct, or wasting money.

Urmstongran

That is a fire gone conclusion Alegrias! I said yesterday the SNP will romp it. Hmm.

Re Labour defeats:

Mandelson says it was the two c’s , covid and corbyn

I think it was more like the two b’, brexit and Boris

Sorry Urmstongran the first person on this thread to say the SNP will do well was suzie. As she said herself, not a difficult prediction to make.

The interesting thing is how the Tory vote will go.

Think SNP will do well with all the bribery given to young folk eg £20 a week for each child under 16 if on benefits; 1040 hours free childcare care; free bus passes up to 24 years; free bicycles for children. As for older age groups - nothing!

Postal votes? Ha! Ha! I know several people that applied for a postal vote and never got it and were unable to get in contact with the local council for the past 2 weeks to see why their voting papers hadn't arrived!
So if the turn out is low, we all know why!

Thank you! ?

Urmstongran,

Very well said ??

Unusually, I think the preposterous McDonnell is right.

Labour have gone from talking nonsense under Corbyn to saying nothing under Starmer. Which is an improvement, but they do need to start actively being in favour of something now.

Labour vote in Hartlepool.

2010 - 16,267 (Brown)
2015 - 14,076 (Miliband)
2017 - 21,969 (Corbyn)
2019 - 16,257 (Corbyn)
2021 - 8,589 (Starmer)

This by-election result is not about a Tory vote buoyed by Brexit Party voters. Starmer hasn't held on to the voters we had in 2019.

There’s losing an election and then there’s this. Labour not even getting close to the Tories in Hartlepool. This cannot and should not be ignored by those in charge.

Starmer Great political strategy to visit the Hartlepool by-election three times and take Mandelson with you.

How do you think that looks like working out?

trisher ??
Who’d have thunk it?

Urmstongran -we agree about something!