What I think will happen tomorrow

That is a fire gone conclusion Alegrias! I said yesterday the SNP will romp it. Hmm.

Re Labour defeats:

Mandelson says it was the two c’s , covid and corbyn

I think it was more like the two b’, brexit and Boris

Urmstongran

I predict a low turnout of anti-Boris posters on this thread today.

Well, wait until the Scottish results are in...

That 23% will be some of the Brexit party voters Grany I did ask how could Labour have attracted those voters. They would inevitably move to the Conservatives.
Corbyn also achieved the biggest vote for Labour since 2001
I wonder why people are still discussing him and not Starmer?

I predict a low turnout of anti-Boris posters on this thread today.

Grany Corbyn achieved the biggest loss in a general election since 1935

I would be astounded if momentum left, many will and have drifted away but I dont think they will form their own party.

Labour lost Hartlepool

52.5% of people voted for Labour in Hartlepool in 2017 and 37.7% people voted for Labour in 2019, a figure which has now collapsed to 28.7%.

This is the lowest vote share for a Labour candidate since 1943
This is a 16% swing from 2019 to the Tories
The Tory vote is up 23% since 2019

Some people will blame Corbyn for this result

tickingbird

Oh dear. If only all these silly Tory voters would come on here and listen to the highly educated, oh so knowledgeable Labour loving gransnetters who know so much better than everyone else.

Reading comments by a certain section of GN illustrates the total lack of insight into the reason large swathes of the country have turned away from the LP. Maybe less woke and more wake up is necessary!

Well said tickingbird...??????????????????

Polarbear2

urms speak for yourself. I’m working class and I don’t think it’s daft at all. I celebrate that we can support and recognise other people’s struggles.

Maybe as a one-off gesture. The prolonged ‘bending of the knee’ just started to grate with a lot of people. Even the football matches so understandably the fans started to boo after the first couple of matches as if to say ‘get up off your knees, we’ve paid good money to watch a football match!’.

Each to their own. We will have to agree to disagree on this subject.

However after Labour’s humiliating defeat in Hartlepool some voters agree with me it seems.

It’s now a battle for Labour’s soul. I think the hard left of Momentum Labour will split and form their own party. The Union bosses are furious with Keir Starmer now. They say he hasn’t delivered.

Sorry that should be the Brexit party had 25% ofthe vote.

It's worth looking at the history of voting in Hartlepool elections. The influence of Brexit is clear. In 2019 they had almost 25% of the vote, those people were unlikely to turn to Labour. Especially with Keir Starmer as leader.

Turnout in Hartlepool was 42% compared with 57% in GE. Labours share of vote down by about 10 percentage points

You can only do that if you get elected though polarbear. If you cant get elected it will make no difference to anyones life.

urms speak for yourself. I’m working class and I don’t think it’s daft at all. I celebrate that we can support and recognise other people’s struggles.

Polarbear2

Out of interest what was the turnout compared to previous elections? Did a lot not vote as they feel politically homeless? Just wondering.

I shall be interested to see this - I’m sure there will be many variations.

Out of interest what was the turnout compared to previous elections? Did a lot not vote as they feel politically homeless? Just wondering.

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

I honestly and truly believe that when Keir Starmer took the knee that was the beginning of the end for him with Red Wall voters.

Why

Because optics count! It just reinforced the Labour image of wokeness. Boris wouldn’t ‘take the knee’ and nor he said should our Police. American unrest is not our problem to embrace. Yes, it is amongst the woke and the intelligentsia but not us working class types. We think it just looks plain daft.

So If taking the knee upset some people, their bad well Iam64 I think it’s Labour’s.

suziewoozie

Katie59

Not a surprise, Starmer has not convinced Labour voters he is any good, Boris has been successful with the Covid vaccination programme.
As the pandemic recedes we will see what happens, current growth predictions are optimistic, although it’s not hard to be better than last year.

I agree - the context of this election is ( to coin a word) unprecedented. The vaccine roll out alone would have made it unthinkable for the Conservatives to fare badly in these elections and in strong Brexit areas, that issue is added to the mix. The Bank of England forecast yesterday was encouraging but there are still so many unknowns.

Agree.

This was never going to be the beginning of the opposition recovery and a drumming for the government, given the unprecedented situation.

It is going to be pretty difficult in 4 years time let alone now, but I do think that the next 4 years could be interesting, particularly once the covid issue has been put to bed????.

Katie59

Not a surprise, Starmer has not convinced Labour voters he is any good, Boris has been successful with the Covid vaccination programme.
As the pandemic recedes we will see what happens, current growth predictions are optimistic, although it’s not hard to be better than last year.

I agree - the context of this election is ( to coin a word) unprecedented. The vaccine roll out alone would have made it unthinkable for the Conservatives to fare badly in these elections and in strong Brexit areas, that issue is added to the mix. The Bank of England forecast yesterday was encouraging but there are still so many unknowns.

Tickingbird
I like your last sentence ?
Personally, I’m over the moon that the people of Hartlepool have given the Labour Party the finger.
The Westminster elite have had contempt for these people for how long?
But now at long last those people have shown their contempt for the Labour Party.

Seems Corbyn had the right policies and lost 2 elections,
Starmer like Kinnock has the far left giving him a kicking .

Oh dear. If only all these silly Tory voters would come on here and listen to the highly educated, oh so knowledgeable Labour loving gransnetters who know so much better than everyone else.

Reading comments by a certain section of GN illustrates the total lack of insight into the reason large swathes of the country have turned away from the LP. Maybe less woke and more wake up is necessary!

I see that Momentum are already blaming the Hartlepool disaster on Labour’s failure to emphasise the right sort of policies. (Right as in left of course.).
You honestly couldn’t make it up.

IMO until Labour rid themselves of Momentum and the Uber-woke brigade, and find themselves a truly believable and inspiring leader, they are going to be wringing their hands and blaming the non-right-thinking masses for a long time.

Yes they need to do a Biden, it's about ' connection' which is almost impossible to predict, Biden came across as ordinary, the kind of home spun stuff that appealed to the electorate. It's an absolute nightmare to be honest, I dont see how you are going to get the Hartlepools back. Or maybe they shouldn't try to.

The Labour Party needs to start looking further than it’s members.