What I think will happen tomorrow

nanna8

Funny how the Monty Python mob were all rich upper middle class Oxford/ Cambridge types. What would they know?

Really? That was what you took from my post? All well, at least we're not complaining about pencils.

BTW - Cleese's dad was an insurance salesman and Gilliam's was a travelling salesman then a carpenter. Terry Jones's dad was a bank clerk. Oh, the privilege.....

nanna8

Funny how the Monty Python mob were all rich upper middle class Oxford/ Cambridge types. What would they know?

And your point is ??????

Alegrias1

I agree with most of what you said PippaZ but I don't think GN actually has many far right extremists. I always think of jackboots and random arrests when I hear that phrase, and I don't think we're there yet.

I do think however that we have a lot of very right-leaning people who really have no concept of what the world is like, and who think everybody is out to get them because their fathers worked down t'pit and we had it hard you know. Lived in a paper bad in t'middle of t'road. (No offence please Yorkshire people, its my transcription of the Monty Python sketch ). People who think we should look after ourselves rather than look after other people. Especially if they are brown, LGBTQ or far away.

And they wonder why in Scotland we don't vote Tory like England and we want to go our own way. Wales, come and join us!

We may not yet have jack boots and random arrests but we certainly have supporters of white supremacist and fascists which could lead to that.

This has gradually developed over the past year or so, with people getting bolder and not ashamed to put forward such extreme views.

I agree with pippa I think it is worrying.

Funny how the Monty Python mob were all rich upper middle class Oxford/ Cambridge types. What would they know?

Casdon - I'll hazard a guess that they think we have all been hypnotised by you know who and can't see what a good chap wee Dougie Ross is. You know Dougie Ross, who told people this week that a vote for the SNP was one way to guarantee an independence referendum. He's a gift, honestly, almost as good as Johnson.

I agree with most of what you said PippaZ but I don't think GN actually has many far right extremists. I always think of jackboots and random arrests when I hear that phrase, and I don't think we're there yet.

I do think however that we have a lot of very right-leaning people who really have no concept of what the world is like, and who think everybody is out to get them because their fathers worked down t'pit and we had it hard you know. Lived in a paper bad in t'middle of t'road. (No offence please Yorkshire people, its my transcription of the Monty Python sketch ). People who think we should look after ourselves rather than look after other people. Especially if they are brown, LGBTQ or far away.

And they wonder why in Scotland we don't vote Tory like England and we want to go our own way. Wales, come and join us!

We must all be ‘woke crackpots’ in Wales by these accounts- I think not.

You’re right about Mark Drakeford suziewoosie. He’s very quiet, has no charisma, has very few if any skeletons in his cupboard, gives the opposition very little ammunition to fire at him - and on the whole has done a pretty good job, most people in Wales think he’s competent even if they disagree with his political stance. He’s actually the complete opposite of all the other UK parliamentary leaders. All very interesting, although after 22 years of Labour in power I think people do want a bit of a shakeup, and it will be a Labour/Plaid coalition here.

I’m watching Scotland with great interest though, I’m surprised that the Tory voters aren’t really concentrating on that much more than it seems they are.

I don't think I have ever seen so many far right extremists on a thread on GN.

I think that they are just thoroughly confused, Pippa. They subscribe more to the beliefs fed to them by the tory press than by genuine tory values.

Maizie on top form I see ??Well done

I rather liked this bit about expecting others to pick up the tab, too,
I am glad I'm the age I am, despite the financial hardships in the first third of my life I worked and made it better and didn't blame the world for my problems and expect others to pick up the tab.

This from the follower of a man who lives rent and running costs free in government provided accommodation, with an annual redecoration allowance of more than a great many people earn in a year, who expected tory donors to pay his excess decorating costs and for the nanny of the latest of his children (of which he has at least 6, a number that many people would be condemned for having if they couldn't afford to look after them), and who takes free holidays and free luxury food parcels, all on what most of his voters would consider to be a decen salary, paid out of the public purse, and, who does as little work as he possibly can get away with, I find deeply ironic.

The ultimate benefit scrounger leads the UK and people who hate benefit claimants just love it.

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Actually Sparkling the changes the Labour government introduced after WW2 almost certainly played a role in the success you've enjoyed in life.

And what the heck is wrong with being "woke"? It's an admittedly silly word for caring about others.

Sparkling

My father would not recognise his beloved Labour Party Urmstongran. All his life he was an active member. Although we had different views, his were coloured mainly by his time in the war and what he witnessed, he could discuss differences in a rational way and respected others views, the very opposite of what the party is now for all the reasons you state. To support Corbyn was unbelievable. Now there is a multi millionaire lawyer head of Labour, not speaking against the woke movement and the social disruption. My grandchildren will grow up thinking this is how grown ups behave and therefore acceptable. We have as a nation readily let these bullies have almost free reign. I am glad I'm the age I am, despite the financial hardships in the first third of my life I worked and made it better and didn't blame the world for my problems and expect others to pick up the tab. A member of my family who has unfortunately never taken responsibility and gets every benefit going despite not wanting to work. I say not wanting he's more than capable., Whitewave, it's you that shouts predudice if you think having moral values is wrong that otgers can't stand this woke, taking the knee etc. I would be interested if any of these protestors actualy work, it must be awful working along side one with all their entitlement and angst.,Heaven knows what would have happened if labour had been in power through this pandemic, but they do come up with solutions after the event.

That's certainly an interesting perspective, Sparkling ?

I particularly liked this bit Whitewave, it's you that shouts predudice if you think having moral values is wrong

I don't suppose you'd like to explain what moral values Johnson embodies and how the tory party reflects them?

Good post Alegrias.

“ If you like your country you have no place in the Labour movement. ”

Sweeping statement of the week.

???

(I don’t vote Labour currently by the way....in spite of being classed as a loony leftie by some on GN)

Given that we all think Labour will do well in Wales, do you think Urmstongran that the Welsh voters are people who hate their country and the Armed Forces, voted Remain (it's Wales, remember?) are ashamed of our history? I left out all the offensive bits of your diatribe.

And sparkling, I'd rather children grew up thinking it was the right thing to protest injustice, and looked to an international human rights lawyer for leadership, instead of thinking it was ok to take bungs, spend other people's money and have a bit on the side when your partner is seriously ill.

now there is a multi millionaire lawyer head of Labour,not speaking out against the women movement and social disruption
Starmer grew up in a council flat. Education was important to his parents. He didn’t know much about working in law, didn’t realise the difference between barristers and solicitors.
He worked hard, became successful, did so much pro Bono work, the head of his chambers told him he needed to earn, it he’d never get a mortgage.
The division, polarisation of views in this country is set out again on this thread.

Gingster

Urmstongran what a great post. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well done you ?????

Completely agree. Excellent post ?

Casdon

Isn’t by far the biggest ‘what after’ will the SNP get enough seats to give them a mandate for Scotland to seek and potentially gain independence - none of the other outcomes would fundamentally change the UK?

I think your predictions are pretty accurate suziewoosie, I don’t think there will be many shocks.

I’m sure you’re right about this - all the other results are straws in the wind no matter how they are spun tomorrow. Except Wales will be interesting to see how Plaid does and what that might say longer term - but apart from really respecting how well Drakeford has led during the last year, I’m obviously not keyed into Welsh politics. I just think he’s interesting politically - a leader who comes across as a thoughtful grown up who is dependable and reliable and not the least exciting .

Ginster and ditto from me

Urmstongran what a great post. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well done you ?????

Isn’t by far the biggest ‘what after’ will the SNP get enough seats to give them a mandate for Scotland to seek and potentially gain independence - none of the other outcomes would fundamentally change the UK?

I think your predictions are pretty accurate suziewoosie, I don’t think there will be many shocks.

kittylester

*suziewoozie*, Apart from Boris not call a GE that's all very disappointing.

Why would he call a GE?

What is going to be depressing tomorrow will be the endless commentary on the results and the spin from all sides. I know this always happens but this year the context of the pandemic is truly unprecedented and.makes comparisons with the past even more meaningless than usual. grow’s analysis of the Hartlepool situation is interesting and I would venture accurate.
I think tomorrow is a day for R3.
I saw Caroline Lucas on C4 news last night and not for the first time decided I wanted her to be Queen of the World.?

suziewoozie, Apart from Boris not call a GE that's all very disappointing.