What I think will happen tomorrow

.... it’s a big no from the granite city.

The SNP and the Greens have lost the popular vote in Scotland. There is no majority for the nationalists among the electorate.

The current Conservative party is not, in my opinion, actually very right wing - the social policies are more those of the old fashioned liberal party, as is the appeal I think. Going back to local decisions as much as possible.
Have you read the words of Khalid Mahmood, a Labour M.P. for Birmingham, ‘A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party’ and ‘the loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down statues than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world.’ Most people care about their family, education, jobs etc, and don’t consider it a crime if someone wolf whistles in the street or accidentally misgenders someone. Bring back Harold Wilson - I wish we could! He had integrity and a genuine working background, not a law degree and a short career as a political aide or whatever.

It might be worth contemplating Annie, that we are currently still in what the American's would call the mid-term part of the election cycle. Rather than anyone thinking those that oppose the Labour Party have anything to contribute on how they could do better, it might be worth the LP taking noting that Biden kept the full extent of his radical policies very close to his chest until after he was elected. With "UK Trump" running our country I think the LP might be wise to do the same.

I got my facts right.
Scotland is SPLIT right down the middle.

When (if) they have Indy2 I don’t think it’s going to be a shoo in now.

Boris says no, not yet anyway.
If NS wants one she’ll have to ask the Court’s decision.
She signed up to ‘once in a generation’.

Bit like the EU with the pesky Lisbon treaty.
Keep voting people until you give us the right answer.

Well as people like to say on here let's wait and see.

No referendum regardless of how well the SNP do. That sounds perfectly democratic.

Alegrias1

"Retained", not gone over to the Tories. Sturgeon was not confident of winning it, it was necessary to win it if the SNP were to win an overall majority. (Something that the parliamentary voting system was set up to avoid, incidentally). They'll probably be 2 seats short. Quel horreur!

I guess there was a lot of Unionist gnashing of teeth when the SNP won 3 seats from the Tories, given that the Tories haven't won any seats they didn't hold before.

Scotland is indeed split down the middle. One party got 48% of the vote (so far) and about 21 (literally) others got the other 52%. Pretty decisive, I'd have thought.

If you're going to comment on the election try to get the facts right.

Oooooh! ?

Scotland is unlikely to get another referendum, regardless of how the SNP do, but better that they don’t get an overall majority at least.

Anniebach

Diane Abbott seems to have forgotten the Labour Party lost two general elections because voters didn’t want the country run by the left.

Anniebach
I did think that, with a change of leader, might come the realisation of what it is that the population wants, what kind of UK, that going back to core values did not suit a modern Britain, that people and the way they want to live their lives has changed in a century.

I think New Labour (or Tory-lite) understood this perfectly well hence their success but some politicians and LP members are not grasping this at all and harking back further to olden days and the values of that era.

Compromise seems to be a dirty word but it is often necessary.

A radical re-think is needed, I did think Starmer was the man to grasp the nettle but I am disappointed to say that I don't think he is.

"Retained", not gone over to the Tories. Sturgeon was not confident of winning it, it was necessary to win it if the SNP were to win an overall majority. (Something that the parliamentary voting system was set up to avoid, incidentally). They'll probably be 2 seats short. Quel horreur!

I guess there was a lot of Unionist gnashing of teeth when the SNP won 3 seats from the Tories, given that the Tories haven't won any seats they didn't hold before.

Scotland is indeed split down the middle. One party got 48% of the vote (so far) and about 21 (literally) others got the other 52%. Pretty decisive, I'd have thought.

If you're going to comment on the election try to get the facts right.

Yes, just saw that Aberdeen West has been won by the Conservative candidate, cue much SNP gnashing of teeth.

Nope, the Conservatives won Hartlepool fair and square, but it’s entertaining to watch the squirming going on.?

The knife edge constituency of Aberdeen Wesr was CRUCIAL to the SNP. It was a marginal seat. Gone over to the Tories!!

NS was confident she would win it.

Scotland is SPLIT right down the middle.

I am not sure that an opposition party could fight in current circumstances, Grannygravy. I think all those parties incumbent during the pandemic and particularly the vaccine rollout have held on. Now the LP should be able to put alternative policies forward - let's hope we like them. I am still open-minded about Starmer and I think his party would be wise to be for another year at least.

It looks as if, when the statistics are analysed, Labour lost Hartlepool rather than the Conservatives winning it. If we compare 2017 and 2021, the actual voting numbers were down by 12 thousand. It seems reasonable to suggest that most of the stay-at-home voters were former Labour supporters as the Tory vote seems to have largely held up.

As that's with the above-mentioned vaccine boost, a constituency that was hugely pro Brexit and the Tories as the party with the power to make policies I do think it would make sense for the LP to keep their powder dry and sit it out for a while. I think it's a lot more nuanced than it looked initially.

suziewoozie

lemongrove

Labour now have a big problem on their hands ( they had before this, but it just got bigger,)

Thank you for that insight.

You’re entirely welcome ?

Alegrias1

Urmstongran

It’s close up in Scotland.

You think so?

I didn't think so either, but I'm obviously clueless as the BBC commentary is still going on about it being on a knife edge.

lemongrove

Labour now have a big problem on their hands ( they had before this, but it just got bigger,)

Thank you for that insight.

Mollygo

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

Some of them voted Green and some perhaps Lib Dem. Both parties have made gains in councils Others probably didn't vote. The low turn out in Hartlepool means a lot of people didn't-over 41000 in 2017 down to almost 30000 in 2021

Labour now have a big problem on their hands ( they had before this, but it just got bigger,)

Mollygo

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

That was factored into my ( and others) predictions non voters always are.

If they did Molly it was for the Conservatives.?

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

lemongrove

The Conservatives have done better in the local elections in England than even they expected.Hartlepool is the feather in their cap.

It was all very predictable - apart from Shaun Bailey.

The Conservatives have done better in the local elections in England than even they expected.Hartlepool is the feather in their cap.

Well said btw.?

Hilarious isn’t it GG13 reading a post like the above??