The Common Good Party - where will I find it?

Perhaps that’s what he means by fair. People abiding by decisions as a whole and not sidestepping them.

It doesn’t mean the decisions taken are fair though. Society is even more divided there than here.

Yup, I’ve lived there. I would say they like order, and clearly defined boundaries and for people to adhere to that.

They can’t queue for toffee. Don’t leave even a little gap because someone will step into it?

Unless it’s a market of course then it’s every man, women and child for themselves!

PippaZ

Have you lived there Peasblossom or are you going back three-quarters of a century

AC lived in Germany for seven years, spent lots of time over there. The German people are just the same as any other humans.

My thought too Pippa.

Have you lived there Peasblossom or are you going back three-quarters of a century

Mmm, if it’s all about fairness why does the vaccination rate go from 3.8 in Bulgaria to 14.1 in Denmark? With a host of variation in between.

(I’m discounting Malta and Hungary who got doses from elsewhere)

No, I don’t buy that one. I don’t think history shows fairness as an inherent German characteristic ?

I heard it Silverlining and was impressed.

Just listened to r4 From our own Corespondent this morning and a report from Germany (famous for its long words) about all the new covid related words being used.
In passing he said that the Germans have an strong ethos of fairness which is why their politicians waited their turn despite offers to have it done early, and that included Angela Merkel. Instead of ordering vaccine at the start, which they could easily have done, they knew German people would not have been happy. So they waited for all the EU, rich and poor, and ordered it jointly. Which is why it has been so slow. It’s picking up I am happy to say especially as my dd lives there.

parts not part

M0nica:
Our current system is based on different parties having strong beliefs about what is best (common good) for the country and how to implement it.

I don't think that is true. The two main parties are based on culture, not good for all. They both only represent a part of our country.

There isn't one Redhead. I wanted to know if there was any party people thing such ideas would apply to.

Never heard of The Common Good party it sounds a bit like mindfulness will have to do some research.

There will be no agreement on what the common good is or how to attain it.

Our current system is based on different parties having strong beliefs about what is best (common good) for the country and how to implement it.

And before anyone starts going on about sleaze and deceit and pigs in troughs, even if there is agreement on the common good, what is the guarantee that some of those most committed to it will nevertheless favour their friends or make a bit for themselves on the side or do all the things current politicians do.

Dreams of Utopia have always existed and it is worth seeing how varied are the ideas of what Utopia would be to see the problems. Remember Stepford Wives was a dream of Utopia - for men.

Lin52 But he meant well.

It’s just that people didn’t know what was good for them?

(Actually it was the warts comment that I admired?)

Lin52

MerylStreep

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Aah communism, “ all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. George Orwell.

I really wasn't asking about communism. Did you read the article Lin52? What did you think about what he was saying?

Ilovecheese

I think the NHS is an example of the common good. I don't understand the remark about cattle.

I agree - with both points.

The Irish hate Cromwell to this day. Nothing very good about his exploits in that country.

MerylStreep

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Aah communism, “ all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. George Orwell.

Peasblossom

I’m all for the common good. Oliver Cromwell is my hero?

But it didn’t work for him and it won’t wotk now because basically most people are self-focused.

As the past year has shown, even people who advocate things for the common good, then go on to make exceptions for themselves.

Oliver Cromwell was a military dictator and a religious fanatic, don’t think that’ll go down well today, ? as you say too many people are self focused, you only need to drive on our roads to see that.

I think the NHS is an example of the common good. I don't understand the remark about cattle.

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Fairly obviously, I would have thought Sago, I was not thinking of that.

(I should have put the description in my reply to Annie in quotes.)

Anniebach

What is - the common good, we are not cattle

Riiight.

In ordinary political discourse, the “common good” refers to those facilities—whether material, cultural or institutional—that the members of a community provide to all members in order to fulfill a relational obligation they all have to care for certain interests that they have in common.

MaizieD

I think it would be difficult to get people to agree on what is 'the common good'.

And, TBH, I always thought the Labour party was the one concerned with many of the 'goods' you list.

There are more in the article Maizie, which might be seen as currently being the realm of the Green Party.

I'm not sure Labour has seen itself as there for the "common" good any more than the Tories have to be honest. I do think they appear to be there for those of a certain culture or in Labours case currently two cultures - as are the Tories. Isn't that why we argue more about cultures than we do about the common good these days? Obviously, the LP could be the party of the common good but I have to say they don't feel it to me at the moment and, just to be clear, the Tories never have but they could be too if they really became a One Nation party but they seem a huge way from that.