Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

You wait. They’ll plough loads of money into Hartlepool and turn it into a sort of showcase.

Or you could try and listen instead of expecting them to express things in exactly the way you would.

varian

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

Can you post the email saying that? I can’t do stuff like that on my iPad. It was a real eye opener.

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

PS.Arguing wouldn't make any difference s you can see on here.

Because they would be arguing constantly with Joe Public and where would that get them?

Did no one tell these voters in Hartlepool just how much the Tory Government had axed the funding to the Labour Council?

What a brilliant ruse. Deprive the Council of funds then blame them for not being able to spend as they wanted on local services.

It could insist on the truth though. How can they claim to be impartial etc if they knowingly allow lies to be told without question?

And I didnt see the interview but I wonder if he was trying to express a general view. It's no good telling people in the red wall seats that labour will make it all ok when they have had labour councils for 50 plus years and well it just isnt ok.

Dinahmo
Same here Re Equitable Life. What made it worse was that quite by chance I found out how much our 4 directors received for going with them with our pensions.
All totally illegal, as we know, but it happened.

I think that the BBC is being blamed rather too much. People complain when the journalists disagree with the public and now (as above) when they don't. The political programmes all have fact checkers - at least the ones that I watch do.

With regard to CNN - they are not publicly funded. The BBC is and sadly has to deal with a Tory government constantly wanting to reduce its funding.

Yes some voters don’t understand who’s responsible for what but for that BBC patsy to be nodding along is a disgrace.

Sorry he was never convicted, I forget that part of the story, the two witnesses mysteriously changed their story.

Mollygo

Oh and Growstuff, I made an error. It was double figures of thousands per annum we lost, i.e. quintuple figures. (Quintuple means 5)
If it didn’t affect you, lucky you.
Dismissing something as impossible because it hasn’t happened to you is like saying no one else can have toothache because you never have.
But if it keeps you busy, do continue your ‘it can’t be true’ posts.

I assume that you're not talking about the state pension given that your OH has lost thousands a year. He's not the only one but when GNers talk in any depth about pensions the subject is usually the State pension. That is the only pension that many of them have.

Back in the 90s annuity rates collapsed. Annuities being what were purchased with one's pension pot at that time. Now it's different - there's a much wider choice of investments for private pensions.

I remember the value of my private pension dropping, not that it made much difference because it was with Equitable Life, if you remember that saga.

In 1990 the annuity rate for a 65 year old man was 15.5%. In 2004 the rate was between 8 and 9%. Currently it's between 3 and 4%. The reason for the decline is the decline in gilts and also for increased longevity.

Yes I know that Nandalot but I suspect people are conflating a number of issues and that some of the labour councils took the blame for that.

That some of the labour councils are very poor. The story of the labour council in Sunderland in recent times involved a leader convicted of murder. I am not joking. He is not there now but this is what we have been dealing with.

Galaxy

But the labour party had held the council seat for something like 50 years. So if there are issues in hartlepool with relation to services then bloody right labour will get the blame. The same has happened in Durham because the labour council wasnt good. There are chickens coming to roost all over the place and I say this as a life long labour voter.

But the Police and NHS are mainly funded by central government, Galaxy.

Franbern

Many of the electorate do seem very confused. One person phoning in to LBC yesterday said they lived in Hartlepool, and usually a Labour voter, but had changed to Conservatives this time as 'under them the town had seven foodbanks, whereas when Labour was national government they only had one!!!

Hopefully the attachment I have made wil lwork

I saw that too
Socialists will run out of money/energy soon and will have to stop doing voluntary work.
Then
what
will
happen?

Galaxy

But the labour party had held the council seat for something like 50 years. So if there are issues in hartlepool with relation to services then bloody right labour will get the blame. The same has happened in Durham because the labour council wasnt good. There are chickens coming to roost all over the place and I say this as a life long labour voter.

What do you mean?

Many of the electorate do seem very confused. One person phoning in to LBC yesterday said they lived in Hartlepool, and usually a Labour voter, but had changed to Conservatives this time as 'under them the town had seven foodbanks, whereas when Labour was national government they only had one!!!

Hopefully the attachment I have made wil lwork

My Mum <former mining area> said their whole council has turned blue apart from one Independent

But the labour party had held the council seat for something like 50 years. So if there are issues in hartlepool with relation to services then bloody right labour will get the blame. The same has happened in Durham because the labour council wasnt good. There are chickens coming to roost all over the place and I say this as a life long labour voter.

Just saw a clip from BBC Breakfast that my DD sent me. It is an interview with two Hartlepool voters, father and son. The old man had been a traditional Labour voter but had voted Tory because Labour had cut the police and the NHS!
The interviewer forgot to point out Conservatives had been in power for the last ten years.

No still in France Greeneyedgirl, just never lost my interest in politics!
Will PM you. ?

Are you back in UK Mamie? I’ve missed your delicious food ideas which I used to catch up with on the low carb thread