Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

PS. The article was written in 2010 and contradicts itself. It was also before all the changes the Conservatives have made to pensions over the last 11 years. Unfortunately, they still haven't made the one change which would make the system fairer and would save the Treasury billions, which is to abolish higher rate tax relief on pension payments.

Mollygo

growstuff

PS. That article is nonsense and conflates a number of issues.

It depended on what you were earning. You may dismiss the article, maybe it isn’t clear enough for you, but for those affected it had a real impact. If you weren’t affected, lucky you. That will explain why you are sceptical.
For my DH it meant a loss of double figures per annum from his projected pension and we are aware of that now.

Double figures? £10 is double figures.

The pensions I now have are paying out exactly what they promised when I paid into them over nearly 50 years.

Agreed.

That is true as is the fact that our death rate is nothing to be proud of.

MayBee70

He still, imo, has handled the pandemic badly and is responsible for people losing their lives.

That is true. Doesn't mean we can make things up about death rates though.

So I read, the people of Hartlepool voted to leave the EU by 70%. The prospective Labour MP's agenda was to overturn Brexit. Did he seriously think that would catch on.

The India variant has only now become a variant of concern. Better late than never I suppose....

May nothing here to be remotely proud or amused about
www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

Urmstongran

The world loves a trier MayBee.

We’re talking about people’s lives here. Does it amuse you?

MayBee70

He still, imo, has handled the pandemic badly and is responsible for people losing their lives.

This is true. Remember all the promises about Christmas and the going back to school - for one day? People died who didn’t need to. The fact that our relative position has changed does not mean that he handled the pandemic well until this year that is.

The world loves a trier MayBee.

He still, imo, has handled the pandemic badly and is responsible for people losing their lives.

I'm in the unprecedented situation of agreeing with GG13 and GrannyRose15. The UK does not have the highest death rate in Europe by any measure, including excess deaths. No "opinions" about it. I wish people would stop saying that.

I'm no fan of Johnson and there are plenty of things to blame him for, but this isn't one of them.

www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Your link, PippaZ, is a year old. Well out of date now.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

It was a peace keeping mission for heaven's sake.

Maybe, from a personal perspective, I have family members who cannot forget what they saw.

Peace keeping involves fighting

GrannyGravy13:
Peace keeping involves fighting.

Sadly, that's a truth. I don't think Blair can be blamed for a fact of life.

GrannyRose15

^He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo.^

And how long is this myth going to last I wonder. There are lots of factors that affected our "death rate" not least our unfathomable desire to make it as high as possible by recording all deaths within 28 days of a positive test as covid ones even when they plainly weren't.

I am 64 years old and not without health problems yet there were 24 million people ahead of me in the queue for vaccines as they were deemed more vulnerable than I was. This is another reason why we had a high death rate.

Now we have a vaccine our death rate is falling, that of other countries is not.

The jury is still out on who will win the accolade you give to Boris.
(of having the worst death rate in Europe - just in case you don't get my sarcasm.)

You might find this interesting GrannyRose15. I think you are playing to your own inbuilt bias if you think it's a myth.

PippaZ

It was a peace keeping mission for heaven's sake.

Maybe, from a personal perspective, I have family members who cannot forget what they saw.

Peace keeping involves fighting

It's not rubbish, MayBee70

www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

It was a peace keeping mission for heaven's sake.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo. But, hey, let’s just forget that shall we. What about Blair helping to bring about peace in Ireland and Yugoslavia? Why do people forget about that. And why did the Conservative party back the Iraq war at the time? Shouldn’t they shoulder some of the blame. How come people in America voted Republican after Bush? Maybe some countries are capable of moving on from certain events and judge parties on the here and now.

He sent U.K. armed forces into Yugoslavia, Mr. Blair liked a war

Oh good Lord. Would you rather we hadn't gone in? Wouldn't that mean Churchill "liked a war" too?

There will be a continuing discrepancy regarding actual Covid-19 deaths due to each Country counting differently.

GrannyRose15

^He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo.^

And how long is this myth going to last I wonder. There are lots of factors that affected our "death rate" not least our unfathomable desire to make it as high as possible by recording all deaths within 28 days of a positive test as covid ones even when they plainly weren't.

I am 64 years old and not without health problems yet there were 24 million people ahead of me in the queue for vaccines as they were deemed more vulnerable than I was. This is another reason why we had a high death rate.

Now we have a vaccine our death rate is falling, that of other countries is not.

The jury is still out on who will win the accolade you give to Boris.
(of having the worst death rate in Europe - just in case you don't get my sarcasm.)

Rubbish.

what we watch in the South east of England, honestly it is noticeable

AGAA4

Labour have done very well here in Wales. People seem to like Mark Drakeford. So why the disparity with England?

we usually spend a lot of time in North Wales and the television coverage with regards to politics is very different to what we what in the South East. There definitely seems to be political and social bias on tv in regional areas/differences
No one ever seems to mention this

It's a good name

Callistemon

I was just thinking that as I washed up, Monica

When they have their own wash up perhaps they should think of a new name, including the name Labour, with positive forward thinking, without looking over their shoulders nostalgically at a past that no longer exists. They might find a lot more enthusiasm, new members and leave the mistrust of the public behind.

Perhaps those clinging to the past could gather themselves and rename themselves as the Labour1900 Party.

I notice that in some places the Labour and Cooperative party have been successful.
It’s an old name, but if it works?