Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo.

And how long is this myth going to last I wonder. There are lots of factors that affected our "death rate" not least our unfathomable desire to make it as high as possible by recording all deaths within 28 days of a positive test as covid ones even when they plainly weren't.

I am 64 years old and not without health problems yet there were 24 million people ahead of me in the queue for vaccines as they were deemed more vulnerable than I was. This is another reason why we had a high death rate.

Now we have a vaccine our death rate is falling, that of other countries is not.

The jury is still out on who will win the accolade you give to Boris.
(of having the worst death rate in Europe - just in case you don't get my sarcasm.)

Easy to say unless you had a family member there, witnessing things that should never been seen.

Lin52 the Scottish Nationalist haven't rebranded themselves- they’ve always been the SNP, the Tories have become more like the Brexit/ English nationalists since their popularity is in the English regions. They aren’t that popular in London, Liverpool, Manchester either.

I was just thinking that as I washed up, Monica

When they have their own wash up perhaps they should think of a new name, including the name Labour, with positive forward thinking, without looking over their shoulders nostalgically at a past that no longer exists. They might find a lot more enthusiasm, new members and leave the mistrust of the public behind.

Perhaps those clinging to the past could gather themselves and rename themselves as the Labour1900 Party.

I wonder how many Conservative MP’s will agree to appear on the programme?

I think Alastair Campbell is on GMB next week. That’ll be interesting. I’m not a morning person usually but I’ll make a point of getting up for that.

I agree but you cant just repeat it, it's a different time now. I think it wouldnt be a bad idea to listen to some of those responsible for that electoral success.

Now, Blair, that is interesting. As Peter Mandelson said over elections and the Labour Party, lose,lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose.

Perhaps the Labour Party should revive New Labour, it seems to have done rather well in a sea failure.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo. But, hey, let’s just forget that shall we. What about Blair helping to bring about peace in Ireland and Yugoslavia? Why do people forget about that. And why did the Conservative party back the Iraq war at the time? Shouldn’t they shoulder some of the blame. How come people in America voted Republican after Bush? Maybe some countries are capable of moving on from certain events and judge parties on the here and now.

He sent U.K. armed forces into Yugoslavia, Mr. Blair liked a war

Something needed to be done about Yugoslavia. Should we have just ignored what was happening there?

Starmer!

MayBee70

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo. But, hey, let’s just forget that shall we. What about Blair helping to bring about peace in Ireland and Yugoslavia? Why do people forget about that. And why did the Conservative party back the Iraq war at the time? Shouldn’t they shoulder some of the blame. How come people in America voted Republican after Bush? Maybe some countries are capable of moving on from certain events and judge parties on the here and now.

He sent U.K. armed forces into Yugoslavia, Mr. Blair liked a war

MaizieD

^So it was a joke and despicable, what Starmer did in John Lewis was childish and despicable, but of course one thread on here said it was a joke, and give him some slack. Double standards.^

You're very confused Chestnut.

Cameron holding up a joke left by an outgoing Labour minister and telling everyone it was true, when in fact it was a complete lie, was the despicable act. In fact, it was an old joke which had been made by other departing ministers over the years.

Not at all comparable with Starmer taking the piss out of Johnson's £840 a roll wallpaper and his mistresses reported contempt for John Lewis furnishings.

Starter has been banging on about wallpaper on several occasions apart from the stunt in John Lewis. He could have used that time to promote Labour.

MayBee70

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo. But, hey, let’s just forget that shall we. What about Blair helping to bring about peace in Ireland and Yugoslavia? Why do people forget about that. And why did the Conservative party back the Iraq war at the time? Shouldn’t they shoulder some of the blame. How come people in America voted Republican after Bush? Maybe some countries are capable of moving on from certain events and judge parties on the here and now.

Haters gonna hate, Maybee, whether justified or not.

So it was a joke and despicable, what Starmer did in John Lewis was childish and despicable, but of course one thread on here said it was a joke, and give him some slack. Double standards.

You're very confused Chestnut.

Cameron holding up a joke left by an outgoing Labour minister and telling everyone it was true, when in fact it was a complete lie, was the despicable act. In fact, it was an old joke which had been made by other departing ministers over the years.

Not at all comparable with Starmer taking the piss out of Johnson's £840 a roll wallpaper and his mistresses reported contempt for John Lewis furnishings.

He is responsible for the highest covid death rate in Europe imo. But, hey, let’s just forget that shall we. What about Blair helping to bring about peace in Ireland and Yugoslavia? Why do people forget about that. And why did the Conservative party back the Iraq war at the time? Shouldn’t they shoulder some of the blame. How come people in America voted Republican after Bush? Maybe some countries are capable of moving on from certain events and judge parties on the here and now.

MayBee70

But why do people remember every tiny detail of things that Labour have got wrong but shrug off things that the Conservatives do. I remember finding an old newspaper article which showed that Thatcher was well aware of the threat from Argentina but allowed it to develop into a full blown war. Now, I know the repercussions from that were nowhere near those of the Iraq war but Blair gets all the blame for that even though it was voted for by parliament. And Saddam Hussein was a horrible dictator who was killing his own people in their thousands. You could argue that Blair lied about the weapons of mass destruction but Johnson lies all the time and no one cares. I once nearly voted Conservative because they promised to do something about nursing home fees but, in the end they never did it. Everything they do wrong is shrugged off and yet, with Labour everything sticks.

Johnson hasn’t taken us into a war, killing millions and leaving us with a legacy of home grown terrorism from Islamists.

Chestnut

I would never vote Labour because I don't trust them with the economy. Simple as that.

And you trust Johnson and other Tories? This is mind boggling. Do you have any idea what they have done to the economy with Brexit? And the fraudulent contracts and massive borrowing?

MayBee70

Chestnut

I would never vote Labour because I don't trust them with the economy. Simple as that.

Can I ask why? I have heard that it’s a myth that Labour leave the economy in a worse state. And the time that Cameron held up that note that was left in the treasury saying theres no money left was despicable because it was just a joke. We will have several years of more austerity cuts and then the Conservatives will miraculously find lots of money with which to promise all sort of things that then won’t even happen. We’ve had how many years of Conservative governments now and yet more and more people are depending on food banks and people are still sleeping on the streets. It took a young footballer to shame the government into caring about hungry children. So why do people seem to think that they’re so successful? What have they done that’s so great? I’d really like to know.

So it was a joke and despicable, what Starmer did in John Lewis was childish and despicable, but of course one thread on here said it was a joke, and give him some slack. Double standards.

Chestnut

I would never vote Labour because I don't trust them with the economy. Simple as that.

Spot on.

vegansrock

Johnson is only popular in England ( not Scotland Wales or NI) , and then not in the big cities. The tories have basically rebranded themselves as the English Nationalists/ Brexit party.

Rather like the Scots Nationalists then?

Mollygo

SW Easy to say if you weren’t affected. I’m sure you could continue your arguments ad infinitum. People often do when they didn’t experience something.
You’ll have to continue it with others who weren’t affected. Enjoy!???

No it’s not - I judge whether something is fair or not on it’s wider context not on how it affects me.

SW Easy to say if you weren’t affected. I’m sure you could continue your arguments ad infinitum. People often do when they didn’t experience something.
You’ll have to continue it with others who weren’t affected. Enjoy!???

growstuff

PS. That article is nonsense and conflates a number of issues.

Not only that but could someone explain to me what was so wrong about abolishing tax relief on dividends to pension funds ? It’s a policy choice and less tax paid in one area means more tax paid elsewhere or services reduced.

growstuff

PS. That article is nonsense and conflates a number of issues.

It depended on what you were earning. You may dismiss the article, maybe it isn’t clear enough for you, but for those affected it had a real impact. If you weren’t affected, lucky you. That will explain why you are sceptical.
For my DH it meant a loss of double figures per annum from his projected pension and we are aware of that now.

But why do people remember every tiny detail of things that Labour have got wrong but shrug off things that the Conservatives do. I remember finding an old newspaper article which showed that Thatcher was well aware of the threat from Argentina but allowed it to develop into a full blown war. Now, I know the repercussions from that were nowhere near those of the Iraq war but Blair gets all the blame for that even though it was voted for by parliament. And Saddam Hussein was a horrible dictator who was killing his own people in their thousands. You could argue that Blair lied about the weapons of mass destruction but Johnson lies all the time and no one cares. I once nearly voted Conservative because they promised to do something about nursing home fees but, in the end they never did it. Everything they do wrong is shrugged off and yet, with Labour everything sticks.