Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

Getting back to the OP Urmstongran ?
The government is obviously doing enough things right, because they are more popular than ever. It may not last until the next GE, but unless Labour come up with something different, we are destined to have another Conservative government after this one, possibly still headed by Johnson.
Something to muse on.

Home ownership makes a youngster grow up and see the realities of life. It gives them a stake in society - it's suddenly in their interest to have stability, law and order and a government that's not going to trash the economy.

I do not in any way fear the Labour party coming back any time soon. It's actually possible that the next Labour Prime Minister hasn't even been born yet.

What I do fear is an alternative - maybe the Greens start to pick up the youth vote. They could end up pushing a ridiculous agenda.

In my opinion Boris needs to get young people on the housing ladder.

GrannyGravy13

Lots of Conservatives, myself included can see with the benefit of hindsight that not all decisions made and the time they were implemented were correct.

Not all Conservatives are Boris Babes

The majority of Conservatives (that I know) are kind, caring thoughtful folks.

If only Chrystal Balls were real and in good working order?

Some didn’t need hindsight. Just swift decisive action based on evidence around .

''Not all Conservatives are Boris Babes

The majority of Conservatives (that I know) are kind, caring thoughtful folks.''

Let's accept this. So why oh why continue to support Boris and his Cabinet- who have been proven to be nothing of the sort?

Lots of Conservatives, myself included can see with the benefit of hindsight that not all decisions made and the time they were implemented were correct.

Not all Conservatives are Boris Babes

The majority of Conservatives (that I know) are kind, caring thoughtful folks.

If only Chrystal Balls were real and in good working order?

MayBee70

What I don’t understand is that brexit supporters ( including Rees Mogg who said it could take 50 years to know how successful brexit had been economically) were happy to gamble with the economy to take back control of our borders (I’m sure people on here said it would be worth it, too). And yet, when it comes to having lockdowns to save people’s lives the argument is that you have to way that up against damaging the economy. Now I might be a bit thick but that seems a bit two faced. Even more so as the borders that we took back control of we didn’t bother to close. Or, if we did it was a case of locking the stable door after the horse had bolted. Which is the situation we’re in now.

Because Rees Mogg is only concerned about how the economy affects his personal wealth.

GrannyGravy13

The only person calling Lucca a name was herself unpatriotic rabid leftie in her post of 15.25.01

Every Country has handled the pandemic differently, the reason being every Country is different, different infrastructure, different population demographics, different locations (i.e. destination as in Australia and New Zealand as opposed to hub as in UK, New York, Amsterdam etc.). Some have private health care, some a mixture of insurance and state health care and fortunately for the UK a free to point of delivery NHS.

Juggling the economy and peoples jobs along with halting all other medical procedures apart from urgent Emergency Medicine to save the NHS will have repercussions for many years.

Because..... lemongrove claims people like me want to see the uk do badly. Why would I ? I live here. My family live here.

I just don’t understand how people can’t see that mistakes were made and that our PM is not “good old Boris”.
And before anyone asks, I have no idea how Labour would have coped, and no I wasn’t a Corbyn fan.

What I don’t understand is that brexit supporters ( including Rees Mogg who said it could take 50 years to know how successful brexit had been economically) were happy to gamble with the economy to take back control of our borders (I’m sure people on here said it would be worth it, too). And yet, when it comes to having lockdowns to save people’s lives the argument is that you have to way that up against damaging the economy. Now I might be a bit thick but that seems a bit two faced. Even more so as the borders that we took back control of we didn’t bother to close. Or, if we did it was a case of locking the stable door after the horse had bolted. Which is the situation we’re in now.

Chestnut

AGAA4

We need an enquiry to start soon about the handling of the pandemic. It could take years.

I am more concerned about what is happening now. The same mistakes again.

Boris announced yesterday an independent enquiry will take place next year. He was all for it.

I'm not surprised that Johnson is all for it. It was announced yesterday, but the results will very probably be announced after the next election, and by then a lot of people will have forgotten the agonising death toll.

I would be interested to know how many of his apologists lost loved ones in the pandemic.

AGAA4

We need an enquiry to start soon about the handling of the pandemic. It could take years.

I am more concerned about what is happening now. The same mistakes again.

Boris announced yesterday an independent enquiry will take place next year. He was all for it.

As for Labour not being trusted with the economy

''Brexit hit: City of London suffers £2.3 trillion derivatives loss in a single month ''

and that is not counting the massive loss of 'normal' commerce, billions as well.

We need an enquiry to start soon about the handling of the pandemic. It could take years.

I am more concerned about what is happening now. The same mistakes again.

GrannyGravy13

I posted earlier on this thread could you imagine the headlines
UK Nationals stranded in Covid hot spot India the Government would have been condemned from every quarter, especially if it was found that Doctors and Nurses were amongst the numbers?

Perhaps sometimes we could introduce common sense in discussions here? The Government could have easily allowed UK residents to return from India, with resident status checked and proper testing.

But no, flights continued for anyone, without proper checks- just walking in at airports. In fact, at airports, ever since the first lock down- there have been no checks ar airports, no signage to explain what to do, etc, for most of the time. And not just from India.

It is the Governments place to act (or not) on advice given the buck stops at the Governments door,..

And if the government doesn't take their advice and it results in thousands of unecessary deaths then we have every right to criticise and blame them for it.

Let's have a look at the, yet again, late December lockdown results

Deaths in one week in January (government figures). I was crying many times when I recorded these.

Starting on Thurs 14th Jan.

14th Jan 1,248
15th Jan 1,280
16th Jan 1,295
17th Jan 671 (Saturday)
18th Jan 599 (Sunday)
19th Jan 1,610
20th Jan 1,820

8,523 deaths in one week.

It started to diminish in February, coming down to about 3,000 a week at the end of Feb.

All because the irresponsible government wouldn't take the scientists' advice.

Why anyone should think that prolonged lockdown and deaths on this scale helped the economy at all is completely beyond me.

Alegrias1

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

They are still in the labs GG13. They've never left.

I should hope so, other than various TV / Radio interviews / COBRA meetings of course

The people doing most of the work are the people we've never heard of.

Yep, I am aware of that.

The NHS and the scientists have worked so hard with vaccinations and have been let down by the Indian variant being allowed to enter the country.
If those who live here had to come home from abroad they should have been made to isolate in hotels.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

They are still in the labs GG13. They've never left.

I should hope so, other than various TV / Radio interviews / COBRA meetings of course

The people doing most of the work are the people we've never heard of.

The virus can only enter the country from abroad, so I do feel that arrivals to this country should have been stopped much sooner right from the very start. Freight only, no passengers from covid countries except returning Brits who should be locked up in a hotel on arrival. Inconvenient yes, but a stitch in time saves nine. Australia and New Zealand have been very strict in this respect. If this had been implemented we might have had very few deaths all along. So in my opinion that was the worst mistake of all. I'd have blocked entry from China in January 2020 for a start. China's mistake was not closing its borders, which allowed the virus to spread across the world.

Alegrias1

They are still in the labs GG13. They've never left.

I should hope so, other than various TV / Radio interviews / COBRA meetings of course

They are still in the labs GG13. They've never left.

Alegrias1 I hope that they do go back to their labs as the research and analytical work they do is immensely important for the population of the world along with the planet.

When the 12 week thing came up, the few of us who supported it were saying that it was unfair to blame the government, they were doing what the experts said they should do. So now that the experts have been proved correct, its unfair to say the government are responsible for doing the right thing and not going against expert advice. Or even Joan Bakewell's advice.

I love the idea that the scientists will just go back to their research after all this is over. ? Back to the lab, Igor......

We elect our politicians not our scientists or medics, who are advisors to this and any future Government.

It is the Governments place to act (or not) on advice given the buck stops at the Governments door, the scientists will just resume their research once this living hell is over (or at least diminished to a level whereby we cohabit with Covid)

Aleg... the last time I looked, medical recommendations, whilst admirable, are not mandatory for the government to act on. So that being the case, the government does get Brownie points.

I don’t know if people in other countries are grumbling about their own governments responses to Covid over the last year or if they aren’t, but moaning in the UK seems to be a national sport.Still, as long as it makes them feel better, eh?