Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

Bolton now has very high Covid rates of the Indian variant. Surge vaccination is being suggested in that area as it seems to be amongst those in their 20's who are affected most.

That area around Manchester is densely populated so easy for the virus to affect other parts.

lemongrove

Aleg the government had a choice to agree to implement the plan or not ( not an easy choice as other countries were not doing it.)Fortunately they did agree to.

Nope, sorry. The roll-out was purely based on medical recommendation and medical authorities in other countries did not make the same recommendations. You don't get Brownie Points for doing what your medical authorities tell you to do.

I posted earlier on this thread could you imagine the headlines
UK Nationals stranded in Covid hot spot India the Government would have been condemned from every quarter, especially if it was found that Doctors and Nurses were amongst the numbers?

Possibly kali ?
Closing air traffic isn’t an easy choice is it? Since we have a large Indian population here who may have been visiting relatives for marriages or funerals there, if we had left them , they would be stranded in India.Am just glad that I don’t have to decide these things.
If we had just decided that we were closing everything to beat Covid then we could all just have stayed indoors, possibly for another year, but no country can do that.So, it’s constant choices to be made all round.

It was pretty obvious last year that we should have gone into lockdown earlier. And giving people warning each time so they could have a few super spreader events was pretty stupid. We’d started shielding ourselves ages before we were told to because we kept an eye on what was happening. Letting people jet off on their skiing holiday to Italy and then bring the virus back was pretty stupid. The Italians were begging us to see what was happening in their country and take action and yet the government ignored it. Some people have short memories when it comes to the start of the pandemic.

Casdon

Yes, the UK did get vaccination right, which has saved many lives, and no, the attempt to delay lockdown on the second wave was disastrous when the government ignored the scientific advice, and that cost many lives. What’s so hard about acknowledging we did well on some things and badly on others?

The delayed lockdown in December wsd disatrous, too. So much of the next few weeks recording over 1,000 deaths a day.
Vaccination success doesn't negate that.

What about very recently lemongrove- the delay and prevarication on closing flights from India- when it was clear the Indian variant was a real problem and could pose a challenge to the whole vaccination programme.

Would it be pontificating to say flights from India should have closed much quicker?

Another storm in a teacup that the BBC is having to apologise for.

On lockdowns...that wasn’t an easy choice either ( for any country) and they all did different things at different times.
Nobody knows what the best time is/was.It was trial and error for all countries.So easy for the armchair critics to pontificate on what was right or wrong.

Aleg the government had a choice to agree to implement the plan or not ( not an easy choice as other countries were not doing it.)Fortunately they did agree to.

Yes, the UK did get vaccination right, which has saved many lives, and no, the attempt to delay lockdown on the second wave was disastrous when the government ignored the scientific advice, and that cost many lives. What’s so hard about acknowledging we did well on some things and badly on others?

The point is that it is all about a much bigger picture than just Covid numbers (important though they are). The short and long-term impact on the mental health of adults and children, the sustained progress of children and young people in education and training, medical treatments and operations cancelled and postponed, support for businesses and the economy etc etc.
No country will have got all these right and unless governments are prepared to support international co-operation, then they never will.

The only person calling Lucca a name was herself unpatriotic rabid leftie in her post of 15.25.01

Every Country has handled the pandemic differently, the reason being every Country is different, different infrastructure, different population demographics, different locations (i.e. destination as in Australia and New Zealand as opposed to hub as in UK, New York, Amsterdam etc.). Some have private health care, some a mixture of insurance and state health care and fortunately for the UK a free to point of delivery NHS.

Juggling the economy and peoples jobs along with halting all other medical procedures apart from urgent Emergency Medicine to save the NHS will have repercussions for many years.

Yep, I supported the 12 week gap. MHRA/JCVI idea, wasn't it? Implemented by the NHS.

I argued at the time nobody would be blaming the government for it, so now nobody should be praising them either.

growstuff what on earth is the matter with you? Who has told either you or Lucca to ‘shut up’.....where is that post exactly?

We got vaccination right....extremely right! First in ordering vaccines early, then in helping to get the AZ vaccine researched and made, then in giving people one jab ( lots of people) instead of a slow roll out and doing two jabs.A lot on GN were scathing about it, but it was science led and gave the UK a big advantage.?

lemongrove

Don’t be silly growstuff nobody has called Lucca anything.

Are you trying to shut me up too?

Tough luck!

Casdon

lemongrove I don’t want the UK to do worse than any other country at all, I just don’t like people pretending that we got more right than other countries when we didn’t. We got some things right and some things wrong, and so did everybody else.

I think a contract for blinkers slipped under the radar somewhere.

Don’t be silly growstuff nobody has called Lucca anything.

PS. They're usually the people who don't have anything to say themselves.

lemongrove I don’t want the UK to do worse than any other country at all, I just don’t like people pretending that we got more right than other countries when we didn’t. We got some things right and some things wrong, and so did everybody else.

The economy matters Maybee but perhaps you can’t see that.

You can come and talk to me Lucca. There are some people who seem to like calling people names. My guess is that it's to try and shut them up. We used to call it bullying.

And lessons weren’t learned from the mistakes either.

Why would anyone wish the UK to be doing worse? That’s just silly.
We are not doing too badly now but I personally think a lot of mistakes were made last year. A lot. But I get the impression that thinking that makes me some kind of unpatriotic rabid leftie, so I’ll shut up.