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Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-May-21 13:05:55

No bill for an overhaul of the social services as Hancock had promised.

Symonds has managed to get an animal sentience pledge in the bill I see.

Judicial review - Johnson hates to be told that he has broken the law, so he is going to change the ability of the judiciary to hold the government to account. The rule of law is being weakened.

Police bill- 10 years if you protest with noise. So silent protest only in future. I hope there is a massive silent protest against this bill. This is something that I would protest about.

This government likes taking our freedom away doesn’t it?

Alegrias1 Tue 11-May-21 21:01:10

Oh, ok I see what you mean. It was you telling that I was being laughable that really swung it for me.

Mamardoit Tue 11-May-21 20:51:45

And I'm not sure Clegg had anything to do with Cameron being PM.....that was the Tory voters too....

But there weren't enough tory votes to make DC prime minister. Until is mate Nick added the lib dem seats.

Lots of people voted LibDem in a desperate attempt to keep the tories out. Don't you remember the Nick and Dave Show!

To say that NC had nothing to do with it is laughable.

Alegrias1 Tue 11-May-21 20:38:14

So confused....

When we offer up an example of something that they do in Europe that your average Tory voter doesn't like, we get told that we don't have anything to learn from Europe. They can do what they like, we're British, don'cha know?

When European countries are doing something that your average Tory voter thinks is a splendid idea, then we should be more like those chaps over the channel.

And I'm not sure Clegg had anything to do with Cameron being PM.....that was the Tory voters too....

Oh, my head hurts sad

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 20:32:55

Nick Clegg is also responsible for my sons being £50K+ and £60K in debt to the student loan company. A fantastic way to start out in life!

And us WASPI women will never forgive Cleggie either, accelerating the pension reform to aid austerity.

Mamardoit Tue 11-May-21 20:17:37

MayBee70

And it seems to give the government a clean slate so they can just argue that all the problems were due to the previous government. Or Nick Clegg.....

All governments do that don't they. Nick Clegg has a lot to answer for. Without Nick Clegg, David Cameron would not have been PM. Remember Cameron ultimately used that power to allow the 2016 referendum. He of course skipped off humming a merry little tune.

Nick Clegg is also responsible for my sons being £50K+ and £60K in debt to the student loan company. A fantastic way to start out in life!

Sorry if my posts have offended .

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 20:09:04

Spain have ID cards. France too I believe.
Actually I think nowadays (because the world isn’t what it was 50y ago) they are a good thing.

MayBee70 Tue 11-May-21 20:07:17

Neither does ignoring what this government is doing. People in other countries fight for democracy and we’re just watching it slip away.

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 20:06:26

Or Nick Clegg.....

If the cap fits ??

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 20:05:31

Not at all. Let’s just wait and let the ones who are paid to sort this out crack on. Negativity gets us nowhere at this stage.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 11-May-21 20:05:04

As the consensus on GN is that the poor and uneducated are now voting Conservative, one would have thought voter ID would be applauded?

MayBee70 Tue 11-May-21 20:00:56

Urmstongran

That’s for them to work out MayBee. Don’t tie yourself in knots over it in the meantime. Chill your beans.

How patronising.....

MayBee70 Tue 11-May-21 20:00:05

And it seems to give the government a clean slate so they can just argue that all the problems were due to the previous government. Or Nick Clegg.....

MayBee70 Tue 11-May-21 19:58:41

MaizieD

Urmstongran

I’m glad about repealing the fixed term Parliament Act. It forced us to unduly suffer the zombie Parliament.

It became a mechanism to thwart the democratic will of 17.4 million people.

Sorry?

GE 2015,
GE 2017
GE2019

What on earth are you talking about. Fixed term was a farce.

As for all that utter nonsense about thwarting the democratic will of 17.4 million people. We are not yet ruled by 'the will of the people'. It is for Parliament to make the ultimate decisions.

But then, you seem to have fascist tendencies so no doubt you're perfectly happy with the trashing of Parliamentary democracy.

We’ve had more elections over the past few years in a short space of time than I can ever remember.

Mamardoit Tue 11-May-21 19:55:08

MaizieD

Mamardoit

MayBee70

So what happens about postal votes and ID?

They check your signature don't they? Well they could if they suspected any wrong doing.

But anyone could forge your signature...

No-one is answering my question

*Why do we need voter ID when there is no evidence of in-person voter fraud?*

They would have to intercept my application for a postal ballot (signed in the little box by me) and the actual ballot paper also signed by me. Normally I would vote in person. I think that turning up at the polling station is important.

I have thought for many years that you should have to at least show your polling card before you get to vote. Photo ID is just one stage better IMO.....I am entitled to that by the way.

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 19:44:20

I agree Jax. The police don’t even turn up for burglaries these days apparently. Just issue a crime number for the insurance company.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-May-21 19:42:01

Jaxjacky

Just because no one has been prosecuted for fraudulent voting may just mean they haven’t been caught, yet.

??????oh dear oh dear.

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 19:41:19

Fixed term was a farce

Seems we actually agree on something then MaizieD.

Is this a 1st?

?

Jaxjacky Tue 11-May-21 19:39:44

Just because no one has been prosecuted for fraudulent voting may just mean they haven’t been caught, yet.

MaizieD Tue 11-May-21 19:33:15

Urmstongran

Chestnut

Wasn't there a problem with students voting at the home address and also at their university address some time ago. I believe some Labour activists were even encouraging it. If that is happening then it should be stopped.

There was Chestnut. Well remembered!

Poof that it happened?

MaizieD Tue 11-May-21 19:32:35

Mamardoit

MayBee70

So what happens about postal votes and ID?

They check your signature don't they? Well they could if they suspected any wrong doing.

But anyone could forge your signature...

No-one is answering my question

Why do we need voter ID when there is no evidence of in-person voter fraud?

MaizieD Tue 11-May-21 19:30:29

Urmstongran

I’m glad about repealing the fixed term Parliament Act. It forced us to unduly suffer the zombie Parliament.

It became a mechanism to thwart the democratic will of 17.4 million people.

Sorry?

GE 2015,
GE 2017
GE2019

What on earth are you talking about. Fixed term was a farce.

As for all that utter nonsense about thwarting the democratic will of 17.4 million people. We are not yet ruled by 'the will of the people'. It is for Parliament to make the ultimate decisions.

But then, you seem to have fascist tendencies so no doubt you're perfectly happy with the trashing of Parliamentary democracy.

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 18:51:07

That’s for them to work out MayBee. Don’t tie yourself in knots over it in the meantime. Chill your beans.

MayBee70 Tue 11-May-21 18:45:30

But what will happen about postal votes when photo I’d is required?

Mamardoit Tue 11-May-21 18:36:46

MayBee70

So what happens about postal votes and ID?

They check your signature don't they? Well they could if they suspected any wrong doing.

Urmstongran Tue 11-May-21 18:35:39

Chestnut

Wasn't there a problem with students voting at the home address and also at their university address some time ago. I believe some Labour activists were even encouraging it. If that is happening then it should be stopped.

There was Chestnut. Well remembered!