Australian Beef - A huge threat to U.K. farmers

Urmstongran

Me too - with lamb’s liver MOnica. Liver & bacon casserole with onions and mashed potatoes is the food of the gods. I bought some not long ago - from Sainsbury’s. Plenty for the two of us. Price? 98p. Can’t be pig’s liver though, too strong with tubes. Ugh!

But pig's liver has so much more flavour! We always look for pig's liver for preference

Urmstongran probably ox liver that is usually bought as petfood.

The best liver is calves, then lambs and pigs. My liver and kidney comes from a local pig breeder/farmshop. So both come from pigs. They make a lovely rough country pate, black pudding and haslet and their pork pies are to die for.

I very rarely post but as a crofter I have to challenge Urmstongran's
opinion that crofting is money for old rope. We are lambing just now. Our days start at 5am and frequently finish at midnight or later. We both have other jobs to enable us to continue to croft as we make no money from the croft. The reason we continue despite the hard work, is love of our way of life. Our sheep are reared to very high standards and our ground is home to a huge variety of flora and fauna.

Ever heard of museling?

No, Kali2 - what does that mean?

lemongrove

*kali*....your concern for British farmers is touching.

Your lack of support for Great British farming is really sad and concerning- and truly disappointing, I must say.

Katie59

My bet is that if you asked any low income shopper if they wanted to eat hormone treated beef they would all say NO!.

Is any one really going to say YES.

But if this is against UK regulations then we will not import hormone fed beef!!

Cheap food is a vote winner and food is far too cheap compared with the price of production.

I agree, SheepandCattle and think it is most concerning that farmers are not valued more.
However, I think the amount of beef imports proposed would not have a huge impact on sales of home produced beef.

Australian cattle farms are huge and mainly free range, vegansrock. Some take days to get around, not hours. I'd be interested to follow a link to intensive cattle farming in Australia.

My bet is that if you asked any low income shopper if they wanted to eat hormone treated beef they would all say NO!.

Is any one really going to say YES.

Me too - with lamb’s liver MOnica. Liver & bacon casserole with onions and mashed potatoes is the food of the gods. I bought some not long ago - from Sainsbury’s. Plenty for the two of us. Price? 98p. Can’t be pig’s liver though, too strong with tubes. Ugh!

kali....your concern for British farmers is touching.

Mink farms in Denmark?

Not that I've ever eaten mink.

vegansrock

You’d think those Brexit supporters would be supporting British farmers and buying local.

I certainly do, but then I’m not short of money.If I were, I would be glad of cheaper meat in the shops.
I have no problem with anything that comes from Australia, we used to eat a lot of NZ lamb in the past too, and that was delicious.
Anyone got anything to say about veal production in EU countries or foi gras?

vegansrock

You’d think those Brexit supporters would be supporting British farmers and buying local.

As I voted Remain may I support Australian farmers as they are having a poor deal from their Government at the moment?

Thanks

We ate offal - and times weren't bad. My father loved liver and kidneys, and so do I. DH and I eat them weekly to help DH with his anaemia.

DF and I, if we had a day together, would get a couple of lamb's hearts, stuff them and casserole them long and low, delicious.

I have never known offal to be considered a 'poverty' meat, even though it is cheap.

If we were to do as the US might want, a trade deal on their terms could mean shoppers are given no information on country of origin. In which case, how would anyone know where the meat they're buying comes from?

I know it hasn't happened yet, but I'm watching this space very carefully.

Urmstongran

As one Government source put it to The Telegraph: "This is a fundamental debate about what we want Global Britain to be. If we can’t get Australia over the line, then we’re partly accepting our centre of gravity still revolves around Europe."

?? ?

I’d be very happy to have Australian products whatever they are, but they have to be produced to our standards, it’s nothing to do with the EU.
I don’t want to eat hormone treated beef.

Of course it revolves round Europe, we are in Europe, in the EU or not.

vegansrock- exactly.

You’d think those Brexit supporters would be supporting British farmers and buying local.

We don’t “need” cheaper meat, we need more awareness of the provenance of food and education about eating healthily on a budget.

lemongrove

Exactly what Cafe says.
Australian animal welfare is good if not better than some EU countries.
Veal for instance ( think about it) and foi gras.
We need cheaper meat here, not everyone has the time to slowcook cheap meat and lentils etc.

So you are happy for the British farmers to go under and our countryside changed for ever? And for your grandchildren to eat hormone fed meat, etc.?

I thought your love of Brexit was about Great Britain.

Ever heard of museling?

I watched both my parents cook a lot of it was offal but when times were bad that’s what we got. I had lean times when I divorced and was on my own but I managed on a tight budget to cook every meal from scratch. My DS and DD both cook themselves and so their partners. They don’t rely on junk packaged food because they didn’t get it.

I wasn’t suggesting that the U.K. is perfect in that respect, Greta. Perhaps you’d like to quote the Danish ratio for the same - I notice that you haven’t.
Because I would find it very hard to understand how any significant percentage of their absolutely colossal bacon production can possibly be carried out in non factory-farm conditions.

Plus, I do seem to recall that U.K. welfare standards for pigs, while far from perfect, are marginally better than those operating within the EU.

As one Government source put it to The Telegraph: "This is a fundamental debate about what we want Global Britain to be. If we can’t get Australia over the line, then we’re partly accepting our centre of gravity still revolves around Europe."

?? ?

25Avalon

Growstuff didn’t mean to be patronising in saying youngsters. Yes a lot are vegetarian. I am thinking of those who have never learned to cook. Us older ones often had lessons at school or a stay at home mum to show us. Watching eat well for less and similar programmes demonstrates how many do not know as they happily munch through crisps, ready bought beef burgers etc. All at a price.

Btw A recent survey showed most men would rather die 10 years earlier than give up meat.

I never had a single cooking lesson in school and can cook. Where there's a will, it's really not that difficult to read a cookbook, watch a TV cookery programme or follow one of the hundreds of online videos. I don't think I've ever known a time when we've been so bombarded by recipes.

People want to eat meat as it’s what they are used to, they like it and they don’t have to think about it. Food is linked to upbringing / culture, but I’m hopeful that not eating meat will also become more acceptable especially to those who care about the planet and sustainability. A lot of people don’t care about the provenance of their food so they will buy cheap, burgers, chicken, whatever, and it’s not just those on low incomes as Jack Monroe can demonstrate, you can eat healthily on very little.