Should Nicola Sturgeon have discouraged Scottish Football fans without tickets from travelling to London?

Alegrias1

..and yet NS did what people say she should have and Johnson didn't.

If I was a suspicious person, I'd think that some people want to blame NS for the wrongdoing of anybody in Scotland

No different to those on GN who blame the PM for all and sundry…

She did discourage them, in fact she entreated them not to go. but when it was open to spectators and the venue wasn't under her direct control, she could hardly apply force to stop them travelling - by plane, train, bus, and car. It would take the entire Scottish police force and hundreds of black marias to arrest the passengers and transport them to jail, where they would just claim they were going down to visit their auntie and had no plans to see the fitba'

Alegrias there are a lot of things that should have been discouraged if not stopped. Probably more Scotland footie fans than Druids so much more difficult to control as NS knows.

..and yet NS did what people say she should have and Johnson didn't.

If I was a suspicious person, I'd think that some people want to blame NS for the wrongdoing of anybody in Scotland

Alegrias1

Should Boris Johnson have discouraged revellers wanting to celebrate the Solstice from travelling to Wiltshire?

tps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-57550606

Yes.

Should Boris Johnson have discouraged revellers wanting to celebrate the Solstice from travelling to Wiltshire?

tps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-57550606

Alegrias1

^Rebuild Hadrian’s Wall maybe?^

Does that mean we get a bit of Northumberland?

Probably not! Although Berwick has changed hands so many times it doesn’t regard itself as Scottish or English!

Rebuild Hadrian’s Wall maybe?

Does that mean we get a bit of Northumberland?

I am mystified by the ban on travel to Manchester and Salford, I think its a mistake but Swinney was on the radio saying it was the right thing to do. I hope they rescind it, but it is weird.

I don't see a problem with an outdoor event of 6,000 people which is ticketed and where social distance rules are enforced. I do see the issue with allowing gatherings of people who, by definition, are going to want to hug each other.

However we live in a world where people think their five-year-olds need to graduate from nursery, so what do I know?

Even if the match had been behind closed doors with no spectators both Scottish and English ‘fans’ would probably still have travelled and congregated outside. Very difficult to prevent. We have seen people gather in masses on beaches, illegal raves and large protests and marches all against Covid regulations which have been impossible to police. Mind you if Scotland were in the EU how would it erect and maintain a border? Rebuild Hadrian’s Wall maybe?

Yup

Nursery graduation ceremonies? Honestly?

Nicola Sturgeon has had no problem in banning people in Scotland from going to Manchester (and people from those areas from coming to Scotland). Why couldn’t she have banned football fans from going to London? She didn’t stop fans from Dundee going to London despite Dundee’s CV rates being as high as Manchester, indeed Scotland currently has the highest rate in Europe.

As for the nonsense that parents can’t attend their small children’s nursery graduation ceremonies but they can gather with 5,999 others in a Euro football zone, words fail me. It’s so upsetting.

I'm no supporter of Ms Sturgeon, but for goodness sake she did entreat Scottish supporters without match tickets not to travel. The fact they ignored her, like English fans would have ignored Mr Johnson, is not her fault. Do people expect her to stand, arms outstretched, barring the way?

Some Scottish fans behaved admirably in helping to clear the mess left behind in London. Thank you to them, I doubt very much any of you were responsible for the litter. A very visible minority of football fans are just entitled, slobby, trouble causing embarrassments to their own countries or clubs. The vast majority just enjoy the game. I love football, the Euros and World Cup are my idea of heaven and I enjoy the wall to wall coverage but I accept it's anathema to others. In this time of Covid I regretfully think it should have been cancelled again.

MawBe I can only assume that you haven't seen the videos of Scottish fans behaviour that I had the unfortunate experience to see.

Aveline Sat 19-Jun-21 08:37:01
I sometimes think we live in a different Scotland from you Alegrias. The Scots fans' behaviour was execrable. This was entirely predictable and every effort should have been made to prevent their travelling

Come off it Aveline
Some fans of both nationalities , granted.
Then to dismiss your own countrymen with a sentence like This was entirely predictable etc saddens me and disappoints me.
Some Scots fans made a valuable contribution to clearing up - do they count as execrable too?

Much as I dislike Ms Sturgeon I don't think she can be held responsible for the behaviour of stupid people AKA as football fans and I doubt she could actually forbid them to attend.
The matches should never have been open to the public.

Blame the Football Association.

Cathymac

Scots have been banned from travelling to Manchester despite the fact that Manchester has a comparable level of Covid to that of Dundee. The non essential travel ban has been set out in the Health Protection Covid Restrictions Regulations. This is extremely baffling because although it’s the law how are people actually going to be prevented from going . Why did Nicola Sturgeon not put this law into force for the football fans ? Because she knows it’s too difficult enforce? Didn’t want to upset them ?

Or because she thought it was London's business? Maybe she feels she needs to step in as the Govt in London aren't doing anything.

Isn't Johnson working on allowing thousands in from other european countries for the big final?

Callistemon

^I'm wondering how they could have been prevented from travelling. We've just had months of travel restrictions, so I guess we know how to do it. No trains from Scotland to London? No flights^
Australia seems to have managed to stop people from travelling from one state to another.

can you imagine if we'd set up border checkpoints between Scotland and England? GN would have gone into meltdown.

???

dragonfly46

Alegrias if she did not think she could stop the fans travelling to London how is she going to prevent Scots from travelling to Manchester on Monday?

Like I said on another thread. Its not permitted to travel to Manchester from Monday. Some bright spark will still do it, the same as people flew into Glasgow from London to have a weekend with the family when travel into Glasgow wasn't permitted.

She doesn't have magic powers, you know.

Scots have been banned from travelling to Manchester despite the fact that Manchester has a comparable level of Covid to that of Dundee. The non essential travel ban has been set out in the Health Protection Covid Restrictions Regulations. This is extremely baffling because although it’s the law how are people actually going to be prevented from going . Why did Nicola Sturgeon not put this law into force for the football fans ? Because she knows it’s too difficult enforce? Didn’t want to upset them ?

Alegrias1 See you Jimmy hat
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Alegrias if she did not think she could stop the fans travelling to London how is she going to prevent Scots from travelling to Manchester on Monday?

Lin52

Yes, more should have been done by Sturgeon, and Khan, but her hypocrisy, stopping cruise ships from docking in Scotland, banning English people from Scotland because of the variants, yet letting 20.000, Scots descend on London, behaviour of drunken football fans, of any country, is deplorable, and time will tell if the London hotspot for the Delta variant will make its way to Scotland, guess that’ll be England’s fault though. Football is allowed to be king, to the detriment of the thousands of people who have been trying to keep safe, both here and in Scotland.

Maybe she thought the PM in London could control things in London without her help. If she could ban people from travelling to Scotland couldn't he do the same.

NS is banning people travelling to Manchester from Scotland on Monday!