The culture war against wokism has been Boris Johnson’s creation and he is being caught out for it.

It is a phoney war. Just wish people could read the article in gq magazine.

25Avalon

Blossoming woke has been hijacked. Originally set up by black peopling us it meant to be aware of social inequality. It has now become absurd in some cases such as banning someone because a relative in the dim and distant past was remotely connected to someone in the slave trade.

Do you think that post might be a might exaggerated and possibly incorrect? I'm sure you know all about Johnson trying to use the ongoing culture war as leverage but this makes me question that.

25Avalon

Did you read the article WWM2? This started in the US pre Trump, with a very very different historical background to the UK. Here in the UK I have to agree it’s a phoney war.

It's a shame not to be able to read it Avalon but I think it is fairly well known that this was around before Trump. Like Johnson he tends to put feelers out - or his aids do - and see what is the latest "anger" for his potential voters and then work on it.

Johnson does the same.

Black people in the US

Blossoming woke has been hijacked. Originally set up by black peopling us it meant to be aware of social inequality. It has now become absurd in some cases such as banning someone because a relative in the dim and distant past was remotely connected to someone in the slave trade.

Indulge me, I’m having problems taking all this in. I’’m struggling to understand this post, especially the title. To be woke means to be aware of social inequality such as racial discrimination. Why would anyone want to be against that? To have a culture war there must be two opposing cultures. So is everyone saying that the UK has a racist, ableist, misogynistic culture and a woke culture, and these two opposing cultures are currently fighting for control of the nation?

A classic ( well funny really) case of woke gone wrong.
I was listening to a piece about this play this morning.
It appears that everyone wanted their own piece of wokism in the play so they’ll ended up disappearing up their own back sides. ? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9798643/McKellens-age-blind-Hamlet-overshadowed-stars-trade-verbal-slings-arrows.html

The important thing now Maizie, for me anyway, is that these differences haven’t caused any friction in my family.

Whitewavemark2

What is this strange conversation about degrees, voting brexit etc on a culture war thread about?

Someone was daft enough to mention the analysis of the Referendum results which found that the less educated and the older voters mostly voted Leave.

This has provoked the usual indignation from posters who interpret that as '100% of Leave voters were old and uneducated'.

It's not like we haven't been over and over this topic time and time again in the last 5 years; or pointed out that 'more' doesn't equal 'all'

What is this strange conversation about degrees, voting brexit etc on a culture war thread about?

GrannyGravy13

Blimey I must let my AC know they are old and uneducated, perhaps they dreamt their A levels and degrees!

Similar story in my family GrannyGravy, but not exactly replicated. Of three children and their spouses, four of them voted leave, two voted remain. All six of them have degrees.

“ most people in” not dinner

Drat I don’t know how to link it. I googled on my IPad and the article came up “ Most people dinner Britain don’t know what a cultural war is”. I clicked on it and the article came up by Dorian Lynskey on 23rd March 2021 in GQmagazine.

Do see if you can find it as it does give a different perspective to the so called cultural wars.

I’ve not heard of gq magazine before but they seem to have other interesting stories. Anybody know anything about them?

That link just goes to the magazine Avalon. If I then search on "Most people in Britain don’t Know What a Cultural War is" it says there are 18,349 stories about ... although at this point it neither shows or lists them.

It is an awful website and I am already forming views about the type of article this will be. However, if you can link to the actual article I will read it.

No sorry, I couldn’t find it. But whenever it started, there is no doubt that mad Trump picked up the baton and ran with it.

I’m pleased you agree that it is a false war though.

We all agree racism is bad, we should never use it to cause division and hate.

Did you read the article WWM2? This started in the US pre Trump, with a very very different historical background to the UK. Here in the UK I have to agree it’s a phoney war.

The culture war has been introduced by the Johnson government which was copied from mad Trumps war on what he termed as woke culture.

Trump used it to bring division, hate and violence.

I am hopeful that this has been recognised by the U.K. folk for what it is.

Anger and division whipped up,against something that simply doesn’t exist.

I have just read an interesting article that the so called cultural war in this country is phoney balloney. The majority of people don’t know what it is and don’t care anyway.

Anyway do have a read. It’s an article entitled “ Most people in Britain don’t Know What a Cultural War is” published on 23rd March this year in the Politics section of GQ magazine at
www.gq-magazine.co.uk

I looked it up because quite frankly I don’t know what it is either except in the US.

Led by donkeys indeed!

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Johnson is being caught out over other things
Times today......Leader headline.......Empty Vessel .Tke prime minister says" levelling up" is the defining mission for the government. On the evidence of his speech yesterday he has yet to figure out what it means."
Then he is called out for not answering questions at PMQ , an act of contempt of parliament ( this last from Baroness Boothroyd ).
He has been caught out time and time again for stretching the truth(I'm being polite ).
Why should we tolerate such a leader. ?Led by donkeys indeed.

Whitewavemark2

“When you are "woke" you are awoken to the fact that a man born into privilege was burning £50 notes in front of homeless people at the same "tender" age as those 3 "lions" who took penalties on Sunday....”

That is something that I will never forget. I genuinely don't understand how people can vote for someone to lead the country when they are so contemptuous of its vulnerable citizens. It wouldn't matter how useless I thought the opposition might be, I could never bring myself to vote for anyone capable of that. What sort of mindset leads to behaviour as despicable as burning banknotes in front of people who are in need? Is if just to make the point that they have so much they can afford to burn it, and to show their lack of compassion to those in need?

I can forgive a lot of things that people have done in their youth, and even in older age if they are sorry and have made amends, but as far as I know none of them (Cameron, Johnson and Osbourne that I know of) has apologised or made any attempt at reparation - in fact they have presided over regimes that have made the condition of the poor even worse. It's one of those things that I wish I'd never heard about as it makes me feel sick.

“When you are "woke" you are awoken to the fact that a man born into privilege was burning £50 notes in front of homeless people at the same "tender" age as those 3 "lions" who took penalties on Sunday....”

Johnson and his cabinet, especially P Patel are very quick to throw around 'loony left' type insults, along with sneering comments about liberal lawyers, comments which are quickly picked up and repeated by their tame newspaper barons. Nobody can deny the nastiness of the front pages with the photographs of senior lawyers who were accused of treachery and near enough treason.

MaizieD

Interesting that in his rambling and mostly contentless speech yesterday, Johnson made reference to the 'loony left'. This is not a phrase that I would expect a highly educated and supposedly intelligent national leader to make. A 'leader' whose initial declared intention was to unite the country. It's social media stuff. It's dog whistle politics designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator; part of the 'war on woke'. Divisive stuff...

And "loony left" MaizieD. I hear the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped. He is a silly, vainglorious man but will have managed to do much harm before he is unceremoniously booted out.

Regardless of the statistics, people being told that they voted as they did because they were racist and stupid or uneducated are unlikely to feel anything other than insulted, and will be far more likely to dig in their heels and resent the people they see as attacking them.

Both groups are generalising about the other, and both have based their points of view on what the media has told them - either directly or by choosing vox pop participants to make the point.

The same thing happens with generalisations about lazy 'snowflake' millennials and wealthy ecology-destroying boomers. Some people in both groups will behave according to type, but equally the behaviour of others would sit better in the 'opposing' group.

It goes on with calls for the NHS to stop treating overweight smokers, who pay tax on their fags and sugar, setting them against those who present with sports injuries and anorexia, and men against women, parents against the childfree - pretty much any group you can think of is set against another one, even when there are more similarities than differences.

Regarding the discussion about education teaching argument, I agree that this is one of the primary advantages of university; but even then there are those who want to separate degrees into the subjects they see as valuable, and 'useless' or 'Mickey Mouse' ones. Whatever people do now is judged by others as irrelevant or negative, and it makes for a fractured society in which people seem to criticise difference rather than nurture shared experiences.