Kuenssberg Cummings interview

MawBe

If ever two people deserved each other it is Kuenssberg and Cummings.
(Throw in Katie Hopkins for good measure)

When shall we three meet again

If ever two people deserved each other it is Kuenssberg and Cummings.
(Throw in Katie Hopkins for good measure)

I liked how he said he over- rode regulations to get immediate PPE to the NHS. Did he requisition RAF aeroplanes?

Whitewavemark2

pip interesting but plausible the idea that Johnson is on his way out.

Who will replace him?

I guess that is where the shadowy non-democratic figures will become all powerful as they go through the charade of voting in the next leader.

Therein lies the rub WW.

Just to throw it out there, if the Conservatives don't work at "getting their party back", it could swing to the far left like the balls in a Newton's Cradle. Now there's a worrying thought.

That grin is really a little rictus. Mine was a nice broad and knowing smile.

Whitewavemark2

I quite like his beard?

I quite like his beard?

pip interesting but plausible the idea that Johnson is on his way out.

Who will replace him?

I guess that is where the shadowy non-democratic figures will become all powerful as they go through the charade of voting in the next leader.

As an aside and sort of linked .

I see that we are giving France £56 million to control our borders.

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Those who can get past the "what she wore" and the cod psychology learned from watching too many "cop" shows on TV might like to read What was the Cummings programme all about?

It is, of course, one man's view with which you may or may not agree. He puts forward some interesting points on why Cummings and the BBC did the interview and asks (and answers) the question "who wins" from the making of the programme.

You may find it informative and agree or disagree with the various parts of the blog but please - no personal comment on Richard Murphy's beard

How to avoid a heated discussion and broken relationship with someone who thinks Dominic Cummings is wonderful, came over really well and quite justified in what he has done as long as it gets rid of Boris, who he voted for to get Brexit, but now has to go, thinks the vaccine is a plot by America and won’t have it, thinks the Russians are our friends and have been wrongly accused of misdeeds which were orchestrated by America as they are our enemies.

Dominic Cummings telling ‘his truth’ ( recollections may vary)

Whitewavemark2

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In the insufferably smug pleasure he takes from his Brexit ‘win’, Cummings seems to ignore that he helped install the most venal, incompetent, ignorant and dishonest twats in the history of British govts in order to implement it.
As fuck-ups go, it’s historic Mr Supergenius.

Ah, what a pleasure to read such an adult articulate intelligent quote, is she a teenage influencer WW ? ?

Well in the olden days it would have been off to the tower with him. However badly he thinks of Boris and the government he shouldn’t be saying so in a public arena like that and trying to undermine public confidence at a time when it is pretty low anyway. Possibly his comments about Boris are right but I felt there was another agenda here. He is obviously planning some sort of overthrow or helping with starting a new political party . Well good luck with that, first you have to have trust and I would be most surprised if he got that, looking at him. I have never seen him or heard of him before in my life so this is a purely personal initial reaction.

Astu

The interview made me so sad. These people are running the country.
River walk - I’m afraid I do believe that Carrie is a political animal and bound to be involved.

Oh, I don't doubt that she is Astu, most political spouses are I think, and it would be strange if a partner doesn't actively get involved in decisions, even if not elected.

On a previous thread I queried the whereabouts of Allegra Stratton - now we know, according to Cummings although he didn't name her, seems she was elbowed out by Carrie!

Cummings is a serial liar - the Durham/Barnard Castle furore proved that. He has axes to grind with three people specifically: firstly Matt Hanock, now he has had to resign for something that has nothing to do with Cummings' spouting of bile he has stopped talking about him; Carrie Johnson (Boris's wife) but has provided zero proof of any of his allegations against her; and of course Boris himself - you know, the guy who sacked him. I heard another politician on TV today, can't remember who, he said he also sacked Cummings and well knows how bitter and vindictive he can be. Fortunately the general public mostly seem aware that anything he says is not to be trusted - I think less of the BBC for giving this liar so much airtime, including the interview. Doesn't say much about their so-called impartiality now, does it?

PippaZ

I am sorry MaizieD I seem to have missed that link.

This group needs to be brought out into the open as much as possible.

Sorry, PippaZ, I forgot to repost the link:

www.brexitshambles.com/brexit-scam-we-need-to-talk-about-tufton-street/

But there's lots of other stuff about it...

This is interesting.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network

I am sorry MaizieD I seem to have missed that link.

This group needs to be brought out into the open as much as possible.

Just a thought I had...

Boris was elected because he promised to get Brexit done.

If the Tory Party decide they've had enough of him, and we end up with some Right Wing extremist as PM, what will the people who voted for Boris and his promises think of that?

PippaZ

Milliedog

So Dominic Cummings and his cohort, all unelected, were conspiring to unseat the head of the elected British government. Anyone else find this frightening?

Not really. I expect "his cohort" in this instance were Conservative MPs. They have always done this. Why is it so different now? The only change is that the staffers didn't speak out about it previously.

I think his 'cohort' is far more that tory MPs. After all, many of them weren't MPs before the 2019 election which he was busy orchestrating for Johnson.

From the link I posted on Tufton St (though there's plenty of other stuff about it)

However, where Elliott excels is in his tenacious approach and being politically attuned to like-minded individuals from the international far-right. He’s made the UK’s secession from the EU his life’s work, as can be seen in this quote from a letter he sent to Vote Leave coordinator and now adviser to Leavers for London, (before mysteriously disappearing from their website), Alexander Shayler:

DEAR ALEXANDER,

WE DID IT! IT WAS THE BIGGEST DECISION OF OUR LIFETIMES; MANY OF US HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS CHANCE FOR DECADES; THE COUNTRY DID THE RIGHT THING, AND VOTED LEAVE.

A graduate of the London School of Economics, Elliott is a founding member of many of the groups at Tufton St who have engineered the real Brexit; not the Leave campaign fantasy wrapped in a union flag but the real far-right ideology designed to deliver a low-tax, small state, deregulated economy that will have a detrimental affect on the lives of the very UK citizens they coerced into believing they were voting Leave for reasons other than to negatively impact the NHS, public services, schools and the day-to-day lives of the vast majority of the people of the UK.

The tories are a perfect vehicle for this, with their small state ideology and their programme of repressive moves to hobble the judiciary and crack down on protest. Not to mention bypassing Parliament wherever they can get away with it.

It would be interesting to know the ideologies of their major donors...

We, the voters, don't have the sort of clout that these people have...

anyone else find this frightening
Not for a nano second.

Milliedog

So Dominic Cummings and his cohort, all unelected, were conspiring to unseat the head of the elected British government. Anyone else find this frightening?

Not really. I expect "his cohort" in this instance were Conservative MPs. They have always done this. Why is it so different now? The only change is that the staffers didn't speak out about it previously.

railman

25Avalon

Callistemon I think the relevance is that even people who previously may have given DC the benefit of the doubt can now see clearly he was not to be trusted then so how can we trust him now? The shadowy group if they exist, if we believe him, would be of concern. As it is I question his mental stability.

I believe we ought to question the mental stability of Boris Johnson primarily. He has no leadership qualities - demonstrably through the pretence of the "Downing Street Pilot Test Programme" - that excuse fizzled out quickly.

His reliance on popularity of personality alone, and his utter dependence on some moronic 3-word slogans is terrifying.

He is, as Ian Blackford said at PMQs today - not fit for purpose.

I might have put it more diplomatically - the job is quite beyond him, both practically and intellectually.

Someone will say that that plays into the Cummings idea - well maybe, just maybe, Johnson's own track record provides Cummings with that evidence.

I agree Railman.

Johnson is a man who is up to his neck in the nasty stuff. He cannot, because of his core morals, take the blame for anything. We have had so many groups set up as culprits, blamed for the results of his inability. Every time we seem to be getting on the right lines, he takes us into another catastrophe.

But, I have to say that ignoring the silliness of discussing the looks of Cumming or the accompanying guesswork about who, when, why he did sum up several things that we do need to be aware. Government in the UK isn't working. The recent move towards a pseudo presidential style has only made it worse. Our MPs work for their party and not their people. The systems of government are incompetent. Just changing the PM is not going to solve this although it would be a start as long as we get a responsible adult in his place who can take responsibility.

So Dominic Cummings and his cohort, all unelected, were conspiring to unseat the head of the elected British government. Anyone else find this frightening?