Ken Loach may be kicked out of Labour

I think it would be a mistake for him to be kicked out of the LP just because of his association with Corbyn

Isn't it because of his membership of a now proscribed organisation? Not his association with Corbyn.

But it isn’t associating with Corbyn, it’s joining a group supporting Corbyn isn’t it ?

I, Daniel Blake which won the Palme D'Or at Cannes in 2016 is a brilliant film and an indictment of the British benefits system. I watched it in France with some French friends and afterwards said it was a good example of how things were in England at that time. They said that it was the same in France.

The film illustrates just how easy it is for something to go wrong in ones life and to then fall through the system. through no fault of one's own.

I think it would be a mistake for him to be kicked out of the LP just because of his association with Corbyn

well that was depressing

Who was the last far left Labour PM ?

I was a Labour Party member for years but could see that the writing was on the wall as soon as Starmer was elected, and the party would no longer represent the socialist values that I hold dear, so I left. I didn’t even feel it was acceptable in the party to be a Palestinian supporter, I belong to FoP, although I am definitely not anti Semitic.
I have only ever voted Labour, and am in a similar position to you Doodledog.

No.

I'm not saying that it can, and I've already said that Starmer is not doing things the way I would prefer, and that I am seriously considering whether to stay in the LP.

Where I am probably going to have to compromise is with voting though - I can't see a viable alternative.

Doodledog can stamping out discussion really unify anything?

I can understand that if there are groups in opposition to Starmer he has to do something, as otherwise he will be accused of not being a strong leader, and of presiding over a split party (as though the Tories speak with one voice, but that's maybe for another thread).

He came in to unite the LP, and in a way that's what he is doing, but he's not doing it in the way that I would prefer. The trouble is that when it comes to voting, much as I would rather be able to vote for a party that more closely matches my views, there is currently nobody who does that, and of the three main parties, Labour is still the most closely aligned.

It's not really about 'sucking it up', for me. It's about keeping out those who would do more harm. Not ideal, perhaps, but I'd rather that as not vote and let the Tories or Lib Dems in.

I'm watching sorry we missed you as a result of this thread! I, Daniel Blake was one of the saddest things I have ever watched

It seems to me we are going to end up with two right wing parties. A mid right, ex Labour party and a more extreme (which is the way the Tories are going) right wing party.

And I REALLY don't understand the posters who think that leftie Labour supporters should just suck it up and go along with Starmer's Labour. Some of us can't (not won't) vote against our principles.

Ken Loach exposes the inequalities of society. So whatever you think about him, he has done good work. Yes, made money from it. But surely right-wingers should be applauding that. It is EXACTLY what their parties MP's do. Albeit from our taxes, rather than from real independent concerns such as Loach.

Ilovecheese

Nobody, but nobody, dismissed the work of Marcus Rashford.

There is no need to compare the two men. They are both good men with decent values.

Exactly.

I hope in 50 years time Marcus Rashford is still true to his principles and working like Ken Loach. But it isn't a matter of setting one against the other, both are valued by the general public, both have worked for the good of others, both have very special skills.
The point is that the LP who have benefitted massively from the link with Loach are now behaving in such an undemocratic way that he is threatening to leave. Quite why that is acceptable to anyone I don't know. He is a committed socialist and his films have turned public opinion and promoted left wing causes. So perhaps that's the point the LP no longer stands up for the weakest and poorest.

I certainly would never dismiss the work of Marcus Rashford. I think what Lincslass posted is ridiculous and i have no idea why Marcus Rasford was brought in to it in that way.

Nobody, but nobody, dismissed the work of Marcus Rashford.

There is no need to compare the two men. They are both good men with decent values.

I didn’t say his work was irrelevant and referring to Rashford as
the new kid on the block is dismissing his work.

Kathy come home film was debated in parliment and caused changes in law. There are more recent films too dealing with pertinent issues of the day poverty ect homelessness, the Tory government callousness towards ordinary people.

Yes of course they can and hopefully they will in 2072 - talking about his achievements and hopefully there will be more.
But 2021 folk also relate to Kes still - in some circles it is one of the most quoted films. Many boys have only read one book because of watching that film.
And most of his work is still relatable in 2021.
My point was we don't need to make somebody's lifelong work irrelevant because there is a new kid on the block. And that is not being disrespectful to Marcus Rashford. I think it could be seen as ageist which is something we shouldn't be on an old dears forum.

Kathy Come Home was filmed 55 years ago , Kes 51 years ago.

2021 people can relate to Marcus Rashford

Ken Loach has spent his whole life, used all of his amazing creativity, exposing Tory lies and corruption, fighting against poverty, homelessness and injustice, fighting for us.

If Starmer allows Ken to be expelled from the Labour Party, why would any decent person stay.

labourbriefing.org/blog/2021/5/13/a-letter-from-ken-loach

We reprint below a letter from Ken Loach to Labour Party General Secretary, David Evans. Ken has received no reply.

I joined the Labour Party after watching "I Daniel Blake". It is a film that everyone should see.
I like Keir Starmer but I think expelling Ken Loach would be a huge mistake.I'm not sure what I would do about my membership if this were to happen.

There won’t be a party at this rate. It stopped being a ‘Labour’ party a long time ago.

I agree, Whatdayisit. It's hardly fair to set Rashford up as the bar to be measured against, is it?

And yes - Loach's films have been so influential for decades that it's impossible to say that he's had a limited reach. From Cathy Come Home to Sorry We Missed You, they have shown how the lives of working people are affected by government policies over the years. Ladybird Ladybird is one of the most powerful films I've seen, too.

Ken Loach doesn't have the same reach as Marcus Rashford.
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I am not going against the amazing work Rashford has done but what a statement. They have both worked to highlight inequality.

How many men in society have had their life changed as boys from watching Kes. And Kathy Come Home is still lauded as an eye opening film all these decades later.

The Labour Party is in decline and these expulsions will only hasten its demise.