RNLI and Farage

Remembered this thread from last year. No-one turning a hair at the possibility of 1,000s of new immigrants to our overcrowded island...

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1279823-Boris-pledges-to-take-3-MILLION-from-Hong-Kong

Once these folk arrive, I suspect they may think that the danger and sheer human effort they made to get here was not worth the candle when they begin to understand the conditions that they are being kept under.

The Home office has received a letter from the home affairs select committee raising alarm at the way these folk are being treated.

Patel will do nothing I’m sure.

Just keep donating- strongest message.

It is so dispiriting reading some of the comments on this thread, but then I read in my paper that over £200000 was donated yesterday to the RNLI by people who found Farage and his supporters beyond the pale.

My spirits are lifted by these humanitarians who so object to the mean and nasty message by Farage. In fact he has no evidence for much of what he claimed, and living on the south coast I have seen no evidence either.

Alegrias1

For all those saying he is supporting the RNLI and we haven't listened to what he said.

You're being played, same as usual. It's all about Nigel, if you listen to it properly. Starts with how he's not really the bad guy, in fact he collected money for the RNLI! Selfless, generous old Nigel! And ends with him trying to say the RNLI are trying to pick a fight with him.

In between, lots of made up stuff that tries to make out that those nasty foreign types are picking on our brave mariners.

It's the worst kind of manipulation and propaganda, and those who are agreeing with him don't even know it. They never do.

I couldn’t agree more.

Those supporting Farage should do so with a much more critical brain.

Vile abuse and threats have been heaped on the RNLI for helping in the channel. Not just “it’s not your job we support you though” from St Nigel who has obvious joined in the stirring. Just saying it’s the governments’ job is really saying it won’t get done - maybe the government should fund a fleet of lifeboats around the coast, but they don’t, so is Farage saying the taxpayer should fund the RNLI? Thank goodness there has been a huge increase in donations.

NotSpaghetti

I don't know if you saw this:
Just felt the need to share it...

twitter.com/RNLI/status/1420319266746871834?s=20

Wonderful, humanitarian, generous.

I don't know if you saw this:
Just felt the need to share it...

twitter.com/RNLI/status/1420319266746871834?s=20

Avalon, I don't think they are illegally leaving France.

In between, lots of made up stuff that tries to make out that those nasty foreign types are picking on our brave mariners.
I think 'those nasty foreign types' you refer to are the people traffickers. And yes they are very nasty indeed.

For all those saying he is supporting the RNLI and we haven't listened to what he said.

You're being played, same as usual. It's all about Nigel, if you listen to it properly. Starts with how he's not really the bad guy, in fact he collected money for the RNLI! Selfless, generous old Nigel! And ends with him trying to say the RNLI are trying to pick a fight with him.

In between, lots of made up stuff that tries to make out that those nasty foreign types are picking on our brave mariners.

It's the worst kind of manipulation and propaganda, and those who are agreeing with him don't even know it. They never do.

It's just an enthma to me that anyone could object to an organisation who save 'human' lives
The RNLI have benefited hugely from Farage's remarks and for that I applaud him
Keep going RNLI ❤

25Avalon

From the vile anti Brexit comments I am so glad I voted leave. I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyone making such remarks about those of us who voted to leave. Farage made some good points. The RNLI are being used or abused as a migrant taxi service, primarily by the traffickers, who put illegal migrants in danger.

Agree 25Avalon and there are posters who just look for any thread where they can express their hatred of Farage, Boris, Brexit etc. It is like Groundhog Day. In this instance Farage is not attacking or criticising the RNLI at all, in fact he is supporting them. You don't have to like someone to accept they are making a valid point.

Lemongrove in that case I apologise. I am still really hacked off at being singled out for an attack earlier.

I listened to the clip which Chestnut posted earlier and I agree with everything Nigel Farage said.
How many of you who appear to be trying to outdo each other with your level of vitriol aimed at him actually bothered to listen to what he said?

He went to great lengths to repeatedly state how much respect he has for the RNLI, how he has been involved in fund raising for them and that he has personally donated to them.

He then quite correctly pointed out that picking up and dealing with the migrants trying to enter our country illegally is not the job of the RNLI but of Border Force, who as he stated should be towing the boats back to France.

This situation can’t be allowed to continue but people smuggling is an extremely lucrative business.

25Avalon I don't think people traffickers are "using" the RNLI at all. The traffickers don't give a monkeys what happens to the refugees once they have pocketed the money and stuck them in the boats. Why would they care whether they drown?

It seems we have now reached a point where not only are ambulance crews are regularly attacked but lifeboat crews are being threatened. Sunny uplands indeed.

Peasblossom We all owe a huge debt to the brave men and women in your family who have done so much to help others.

It's good to know there are such decent, selfless people around.

What a pillock that man truly is.

Lucca

lemongrove

varian

In real life, I think quite a lot of us might look at those whom folk chose to associate before forming an opinion.

Someone who chose to be associated with Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson, Marine le Pen, Donald Trump. Narendra Modi, Rodrigo Duterte, Viktor Orbán, Jair Bolsonaro and Vladimir Putin would be someone to avoid.

So how could anyone ever have justified voting for the abomination that is brexit???

‘Ere we go, ‘ere we go.....Brexit worked into the conversation again.Got to hand it to you varian....?you never give up.

And you don’t comment on the subject in and so I wonder if chestnut will attack you ? Hmmm. I think not.

Lucca what areyou talking about...I have already commented on the subject of the OP in earlier posts.
I do wish posters would read the thread before jumping in with their bovver boots on.

From the vile anti Brexit comments I am so glad I voted leave. I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyone making such remarks about those of us who voted to leave. Farage made some good points. The RNLI are being used or abused as a migrant taxi service, primarily by the traffickers, who put illegal migrants in danger.

I don’t know the circumstances but the sea is a tricky thing!

It’s perfectly possible that they were called out to a boat in British waters that was then swept into French waters by wind or tide.

They wouldn’t just turn back at that point but would seek permission to enter French waters.

Peasblossom

MaizieD. The call comes from the Coastguard who will have assessed the situation and decided whether lifeboat, helicopter or shore based rescue is best.

The Coastguard gets their information from different sources. On board distress calls, flares, 999 calls by the public, other shipping, nowadays satellites play a role.

Thanks, Peasblossom

I haven't watched the Farage video but the comments on here make it sound as though the government is somehow 'using' the Lifeboat service. Which would be very odd.

And why would they be entering French waters? Surely they wouldn't be called out to incidents outside our waters? Unless it were an absolute dire emergency and they were the nearest rescue service.

I'm just wondering if some manipulation of the details is going on...

My problem is that I don't think that Farage, or his supporters, wants these people here at all. Whether they've come by a 'legal' safe route, or via the people traffickers.

It is pretty clear that many Leave voters had no idea that they were being fooled and they were joining the side of, not just liars like Farage.Cummings and Johnson, but some utterly vile people. The worst populist nationalists in the world.

The RNLI and its volunteers exist to save lives at sea.

Shame to anyone who is using them to advance their own political ideas.

I can't help wondering if any of the people criticising the RNLI would refuse their help if they were drowning.

I don't agree with the channel crossings, but once they're at sea, the only thing you can do rescue them and then let immigration deal with them.