RNLI and Farage

Alegrias1

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

Typical rudeness, and dismissive of anything others say. If it wasn’t for these three, people wouldn’t be drowning. Glad you think it’s ok for them to be making thousands from people in despair. Will you stop it.

^ but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger.^

I'd suggest, HolySox that you try crossing one of the most crowded waterways in Europe in a crowded rubber dinghy (not much between you and the water) of dubious quality, wearing a life jacket of dubious quality (or even some plastic bottles laced together), with a motor which might, or might not get you across the 22 mile stretch (because the people smugglers aren't too bothered about the safety and reliability of the boat they're sending their victims off in) and then report back to us on how safe you felt the experience was...

Holysox, I have to assume that you don’t have much to do with the sea.

Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away.

The kind of outboard motor that can be attached to and inflatable is insufficient to over come the forces of tide, wind and wave.

It takes a lifetime to understand the sea and what it can do. The RNLI is called out when rescue is needed, not as a taxi service. Border Force intercepts and escorts those boats that are not in danger.

Alegriasl I read a lifeboat crewman saying that you have to be out there to judge whether people are in danger of drowning. He said the reality of people in a small boat at sea is not the same as watching a bit of video. I imagine we would soon hear complaints from the men involved if they felt they were being used as taxis.

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

No I didn’t???

When do we decide they are drowning? When their boat capsizes? When they fall in the water and start to sink? When they start turning blue from the cold? When their bodies turn up on Norwegian beaches?

Your continual attempts to discredit what the RNLI are doing do you no credit at all.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/08/artins-journey-asylum-seeker-speaks-of-the-smuggling-trade-that-killed-iranian-baby

People in RNLI video are not drowning. They are sitting comfortably in a dinghy. It even has an outboard motor.

I also agree in that I think people are donating to save lives but seems the RNLI's 'Humanitarian' work is be going beyond this. No wonder people like Farage can accuse them of running a taxi service for traffickers!

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

I wondered after all the ‘debate’ and mudslinging how the RNLI work with The Coastguard service.

The Coastguard, according to the RNLI are the prime mover.
rnli.org/magazine/magazine-featured-list/2021/march/six-steps-to-rescue

So for anyone to suggest that the RNLI are working in isolation is not correct. Perhaps Farage could get his ducks in order before commenting on the RNLI.

After reading the first 4 pages I called the RNLI and made a donation. The saving of life is their first priority IMO with politics being at the bottom of their list.

Sick of all the viciousness, not all immigrants are an asset to this country, see the article from The Guardian. Sure they wouldn’t tell fibs.

Well well, these immigrants have certainly made themselves some money whilst managing to live in this country,? legally, if so we need to be more choosy who we do admit. Preying on the misery of others.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/24/kingpins-in-channel-smuggling-operations-living-freely-in-the-uk-say-migrants

Luckygirl

The RNLI devote their time voluntarily to save the lives of fellow human beings. That is all.

They do not label them, they do not judge them, they simply show humanity. They are the very best of what Britain is about.

Well said, Luckygirl

Alegrias1

Harv1

I don’t mind who comes to Britain, but would everybody just put Donation in the pot every week to house them all, for the rest of there duration . For Gods sake this country is all But on it knees .

They make their own donations, it's called tax.

We're not on our knees, whatever Johnson and his band of merry men tell you. We're the 5th (6th?) richest country in the world.

If you Google "The UK is on its knees" you will find lots of references to the UK, various bits of it, being on its knees but it's just the media using dramatic licence.

There is a lot wrong here but the UK is well within the top ten of richest countries in the world, about 5th or 6th.
It just needs better distribution.

Population of Lebanon, 6 million.

Number of refugees in Lebanon, 1.2 million.

GDP per head of population Lebanon, about $8,000US

GDP per head of population UK, about $43,000US

We could probably help out a bit more.

Your comments is as disgusting, as you say he is.

StoneofDestiny

*The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 26.4 million refugees, forcibly displaced across the world*

The Refugee Council

Roughly speaking 70 million people live in the UK and 7 billion in the world. So 1% of world population in the UK has 1% of refugees.

How many more should we take?

The RNLI devote their time voluntarily to save the lives of fellow human beings. That is all.

They do not label them, they do not judge them, they simply show humanity. They are the very best of what Britain is about.

HolySox

Alegrias1 glad we agree there are many social issues that need addressing. Can the Torues do it? Can Labour? But that is another thread (or should I say rant). I quoted not the MailOnline but also the RNLI's own YouTube post. They are definitely picking up these refugees but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger. On the RNLI website the Chief executive makes a statement about their 'humanitarian' activites so I think GillT57 is wrong. This looks very much like politcal action.

Do we think people are donating to send RNLI boats to collect refugees?

I think people donate to the RNLI so they can save people who otherwise would drown.

Peasblossom explained pages ago the whys and hows re the RNLI as her family have always been involved

Alegrias1 glad we agree there are many social issues that need addressing. Can the Torues do it? Can Labour? But that is another thread (or should I say rant). I quoted not the MailOnline but also the RNLI's own YouTube post. They are definitely picking up these refugees but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger. On the RNLI website the Chief executive makes a statement about their 'humanitarian' activites so I think GillT57 is wrong. This looks very much like politcal action.

Do we think people are donating to send RNLI boats to collect refugees?

Thank you GillT for telling me what the RNLI do....I would never have known.
Wouldn’t it be nice if posters managed to keep an emotional lid on things.There is no need to ‘argue’ the point with people, we can just state our opinions on the matter.
It’s not a competition that you need to ‘win’.

Hard to get your head around being from a country where a globally-respected life-saving maritime rescue organisation made up largely of volunteers has to defend what it does because some in our country would prefer that people drowned. What on earth has happened to Britain?

Do keep up Lemon, we have been over this many times on this thread. The RNLI are volunteers who rescue people in trouble at sea, whatever the reason for them being in said trouble. Personally, if I was a RNLI volunteer I would be fed up if I was called out to rescue a load of drunken idiots who got into trouble on their yacht, but it is what it is. The actions of the RNLI are, thankfully, non-political because we can be sure if they were anything other than volunteers this sodding Tory government would have sold them off to their mates in the city by now. I could write a lot more, but you know what, I am disgusted that I am having to argue the point with people.

Just had a quick look at the posts. Even after my morning comment it still goes on. Oh dear, 'do as I say, believe what I tell you, or you are an awful person'. I hope the sun is shining tomorrow and people will be ' a bit nicer'. I can but hope!

AGAA4

This has just turned into a hate Farage fest including any poster who has an opposing view. Some of the assumptions being made are ludicrous.

Spot on AGA
Posters may not like Farage but agree with the view that the RNLI shouldn’t be used the way it is.It isn’t ‘made up’ it’s in the news.
As I and Callistemon and other posters have said, rescuing illegal immigrants/ asylum seekers crossing the Channel is the
Job of the RN and Coastguard Patrols.
If Farage hadn’t commented on this news item, but somebody else had ( somebody posters respected) and said much the same thing ....that the RNLI is being used when they shouldn’t be, I wonder if there would have been the same reaction?
Tbh I don’t know who is calling out the lifeboat men, is it the Coastguard , the RN, or who?
When did the RNLI start getting involved with this? Has it been the case all along for years or something new?