RNLI and Farage

DiscoDancer1975

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

I listened to the whole video including where he wondered if the RNLI might be employing the same PR Agency as
Harry and Meghan so I didn’t miss anything

Why do People always get bogged down in semantics? I don't agree that all these on the sea are actually' in peril' although it's not a good idea to cross channel in any small vessels.i don't agree with misusing the RNLI . I don't agree with us shelling out to the French when it's a EU wide problem and they have the seemingly bottomless pit of EU funds with which to address this issue-which has been 'urgent' for years! This particular gov is doing the only thing it usually does with something they aren't prepared to try and find a working solution for(unles it's NHS crisis/shortage of cops/housing shortage et Al) and that's - chuck money at it and it's going to go away! They're utterly clueless!!! EU countries are keeping their heads deeply in the sand and trying to push the whole sorry issue onto UK shoulders purely because we're the "end of the line" the whole of the world needs to get a firm grip and fund breaking the stranglehold of human trafficking, destroying the markets for it and helping to maintain peace in the home countries for these refugees. The one thing I will comment though, the VAST majority of seafarers appear to be single, male, and in a hurry to secrete their I.D. and run off very quickly having been 'landed' ....just an observation.

25Avalon

It’s ironic some of the abuse on here from certain posters towards other posters or politicians they do not agree with is just as bad as that used by trolls they complain about.

That is spot on, well said.

Garage hmmm, obviously meant our despicable Nigel

Saving another's life if you are able to is a basic human instinct for most, (some exceptions obviously and to some it seems to depend on the endangered person's ethnicity). No RNLI volunteer would stand by and watch others drown because they came from the 'wrong' country. If people believe it should not be these brave volunteers who have to save them, then better you harangue the government and campaign for professional boats to be deployed. Moaning that it shouldn't be down to the RNLI does nothing. Decent people would not stand on the side and watch others drown because they come from the 'wrong part of the world.' Wonderful programme on Radio 4 this morning, The Spark, featuring Karen Stenner, offering great insight into the authoritarian personality that cannot accept difference. Highly recommend, don't think I'm too off track from OP's post! Garage appeals to such minded people, exploiting their fears, odious toad.

DiscoDancer1975

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

I object to anyone trying to use the RNLI or any other well-respected charitable institution to further their own nasty little xenophobic idea of politics. How can I not agree with it? Becuase its all lies.

I can't answer the Starmer question, because he would never have said it, would he? Wondering why you chose Starmer, but I'll leave that up to people who can actually make sensible evaluations of things.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Do you? You mean like you seeing "WWM, Alegrias, Lucca" , and assuming we are all stupid enough to criticise an ex-politician with an axe to grind without listening to what he said?

Pot, kettle.

Husband always has donated to RNLI and still does, even though he had to sell his boat because he had a stroke. The RNLI don'tcare who you are, they will always try to save lives, with no thought to their own safety. Good people

Also how do we know that the migrants are all deserving cases and there are not terrorist among them who in time could carry out an outrage and kill many people in the UK.

Just as the interpreters in Afghanistan who have supported our soldiers and are now waiting to be allowed to come to our country. Somebody had read somewhere that some of them have committed crimes. They are interpreters and must have been educated but never mind, they could come over her and commit more crimes.

Callistemon

Every cloud has a silver lining

Donations to the RNLI are up by at least 3,000%!

Well done Nigel - have you never heard of the The Law of Unintended Consequences?

It needs to be up, as Holysox says, they’re going to need more boats. Only hope they have enough people to man them.

Every cloud has a silver lining

Donations to the RNLI are up by at least 3,000%!

Well done Nigel - have you never heard of the The Law of Unintended Consequences?

People are giving extra money to the RNLI - looks like they are going to need it.

Who is phoning the coast guard claiming people are in trouble? Looking at the RNLI YouTube video they show 'rough seas' but when it comes to picking up people in danger the see is calm. So who is shouting help? If this is in French waters then the UK coastguard won't be able to see them. If it is the people traffickers phoning the UK coastguard then it is the RNLI are being played! If this practice becomes successful then the RNLI are going to get a lot more calls - and will need more boats.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZgskb-TrpE

Put it this way, how long before a child (your DGC) is swept out to sea and lost because the local RNLI boat is 40 miles away helping a group of people putting themselves in danger deliberately.

25Avalon

libra10

In the GB News programme, Nigel Farage also stated that he was proud to have helped the RNLI to raise money in the past.

He wasn't having a dig at the RNLI, he was annoyed that the French were doing so little at stopping these boats leaving the coast, and also about the traffickers who are paid £1000s for a place on a dinghy or whatever.

How biased this thread has become!

And no-one has questioned about what will happen to these people once reaching the UK shore.

How many houses will need to be built?
How much NHS help will be needed?
Which schools will their children attend?

We are a small over-populated country, our resources are bursting at the seams!

When they reach the shore all those posters in favour of them coming are going to-

Pay an extra 20% tax

Share their house

Not complain if they can’t get an NHS appointment because the service is oversubscribed

Agree to have umpteen houses built on the green belt around them because there is nowhere else.

And the rest. No complaints.

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The question you should be asking is why the SNSM are allowing over filled boats go into dangerous lanes on the sea to come here. They should be stopping them for taking the journey. If police saw an over filled car they would stop the journey so why aren’t they. He wasn’t knocking the RNLI so you clearly didn’t watch what he said.

Can I just ask, so really directed at WWM, Alegrias, Lucca, and a few others I’m sure. Is it Farage you object to? Or what he said? So if Kier Starmer had said it, would you agree?

Don’t get me wrong, Farage is a ‘ weasel faced arse’. To quote a popular tv series, but I agree with what he said. How can you not?

The RNLI is a voluntary group of people, putting their lives at risk. Whilst I feel very sad at the plight of people around the world, and would love to scoop them all up, and bring them here, it’s not possible.

I think you just see certain people, and then ‘ have a go’. Regardless of what they say. You should be careful doing this. You might miss something that would really have benefited you.

@frenchie. I know it’s off topic but I have heard and seen numerous interviews with BLM activists in which they themselves use the phrase ‘all lives matter’. To put this into context they mean that if we put more value on black lives and those of all marginalised communities, then everyone benefits. I saw one person give an excellent example, saying that if they could effect change that ensures black people are treated fairly and humanely when they enter the (American) justice system, then everyone benefits from that change. I have used the phrase ‘all lives matter’ in this context in support of this.

Wait until climate change really takes affect.

We ain’t seen nothing yet.

Climate migrants will put this into real perspective.

It’s ironic some of the abuse on here from certain posters towards other posters or politicians they do not agree with is just as bad as that used by trolls they complain about.

If the govt funded the RNLI they would also be able to control some of the work if they think it's unnecessary.

How many houses will need to be built?
How much NHS help will be needed?
Which schools will their children attend?

We are a small over-populated country, our resources are bursting at the seams!

BINGO!

This is why I posted a link to an old thread earlier this morning. No-one was at all bothered at the possibility of thousands of Hong Kongers coming to the UK. No complaints about not enough space or infrastructure for them..

I wonder why...

Me too! Not only is it a worthwhile cause, but if it p*** off Farage all the better! ?

This should cheer the Faragers up.

For myself I think it is one of the most inhumane intention this government has yet carried out, regarding the organisations like the RNLI.

“The UK Government has recently published its controversial Nationality and Borders Bill 2021, which has had its first reading in the House of Commons.

Clause 38 of the Bill seeks to amend the 1971 Immigration Act, increasing the maximum sentence for assisting unlawful immigration to the UK from 14 years to life imprisonment. It also seeks to remove the words “for gain”, which previously limited prosecutions to paid people smugglers.

Some immigration barristers have argued that this could potentially make the rescuing of migrants at sea by organisations like the RNLI a criminal offence, as lifeboat crews could be seen as ‘facilitating’ migrant arrivals in the UK.”

Nanna58

I always thought I would cut out my tongue rather than agree with Jeremy Clarkson but he wrote an excellent article recently. He said that the migrants had shown determination courage and often ingenuity to get here , so why on Earth why weren’t we taking advantage of these qualities and giving these people the training to help them stay here but not only support themselves but contribute to society. PS hope I don’t have to agree with him m again?

Heavens did he really ? Good on him then

Also how do we know that the migrants are all deserving cases and there are not terrorist among them who in time could carry out an outrage and kill many people in the UK. How do you know?.. The truth is we don’t know who they are.

You could ask exactly the same question of the 1,00s of people who arrive daily in the UK by 'legal' means.

There isn't exactly space in a crowded rubber dinghy for a terrorist's arsenal, is there?

If they're picked up by the border police or the RNLI they're not going to get a chance to contact any terrorist cells in the UK and they will be 'housed' under virtual prison conditions once they're here. And investigated...

I really can't see terrorists being particularly keen on this method of infiltrating the UK.

I think this is a ridiculous 'Let's not trust any foreigners' argument.

Nanna58

I always thought I would cut out my tongue rather than agree with Jeremy Clarkson but he wrote an excellent article recently. He said that the migrants had shown determination courage and often ingenuity to get here , so why on Earth why weren’t we taking advantage of these qualities and giving these people the training to help them stay here but not only support themselves but contribute to society. PS hope I don’t have to agree with him m again?

Funnily enough Clarkson is improving and he's absolutely right.

lemongrove

I think if they accept money from the government for lifeguards on the beach, perhaps they would/should for the many calls for assistance to go across the Channel to rescue migrants ( if happening on a regular basis.)Unless the RNLI doesn’t need the extra money of course.I wondered if any remuneration had been forthcoming for them for helping, knowing how much it must cost for every time the lifeboats are called out.

They don't go "across the channel" as far as I'm aware. I don't think they would be allowed to operate in French waters... I could be wrong.