So many dreams for our youngsters dashed.

GagaJo

GrannyGravy13

growstuff a good teacher will engage with their pupils (whatever the subject) motivate and nurture their quest for knowledge.

It is nowhere near that simple. Engaging with students is a real skill of mine. Vast numbers of British students don't have a quest for knowledge. They live in a nation that culturally only values education for the middle/upper classes.

I agree and, in that respect, the UK is out-of-line with many other countries.

Back to the OP and future opportunities for our young people.
I’ve been wondering what will happen if/when job and career seekers are actively discriminated against because they do not have access to an EU passport. For example, some employers both UK and EU, will be seeking to recruit to jobs, based in the UK, that require a certain amount of European travel. I have friends, and YES they are still good friends, who voted to leave the EU but have Irish or Spanish passports through ancestry, country of origin or marriage. Will their GC have an advantage over mine when it comes to the UK job market? I voted remain and have no access to an EU passport. Will there be any recourse on discrimination grounds? We already have laws about other forms of discrimination. Already I am finding that they have access to educational opportunities denied to my GC. How can we ensure equality of opportunity for all?

Callistemon

^Many teachers are handicapped by the attitudes which pupils bring with them.^

Presumably those pupils may not be the ones who are interested in expanding their horizons anyway.

Or influenced by the attitudes of their parents and/or grandparents.

Should teachers just accept that these pupils are fated to a life of narrow-minded thinking and parochialism? Most teachers I know try very hard to show that there are doors to be opened, even if the pupils themselves choose not to open them.

GagaJo

Which bit is wrong GG13?

When did you last teach in a working class secondary school?

Same question came to mind !

imo anyway - It 's not how the schools are doing in exam results.
I have little trust in published A level results. After talking to DD1 who has a job marking exam papers for A level Biology.
It's how the young people coming out of this educational system will learn to survive in our new world.

Thank you MerylStreep that was the school I was trying to think of.

Gagajo
This school obviously slipped through the net according to you.

www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/education/state-schools-exam-results-survey-6554438

I don't think that Brexit voters intended to dash the future for young people. They did not vote that way out of spite but they have made things a lot more difficult for many. We can't think any the worse of them as human beings because they were misguided.

I agree there will always be blame attached to the Conservative government and it will be their worst legacy. Whether they are worried about that is a different matter because they know that voters often have short memories and that the next generation of young voters won't necessarily look back anyway.

GagaJo

Which bit is wrong GG13?

When did you last teach in a working class secondary school?

My best friends daughter has just completed her PhD. Only child from working class family, went to working class Secondary School, to go to university.

I suggest you look at some of the schools in the East End of London, and their record on getting pupils into Oxbridge?

If you as a teacher have no faith, how can you inspire your students?

Sorry- I haven't read the whole thread.
Our other older grandchildren are interested in expanding their horizons. 2 in Thailand and 2 in SW India.
That's why I'm so anxious - who knows what's going to happen there?

Which bit is wrong GG13?

When did you last teach in a working class secondary school?

They live in a nation that culturally only values education for the middle/upper classes

Gagajo I find that very sad, not 100% correct and disappointing that a statement like that could be made by a teacher.

Is it the case that if we rub your head three times you can fix the future or something? What a talent grin

If only.
There are solutions to many problems.
Some people just despair, others find alternative ways.

I don't disagree Call Onwards and upwards.

But I do tend to rise to the bait when posters tell us that everything's fine, we should just stop complaining, worse things happen at sea etc. When things are definitely not better and they're probably getting worse.

I prefer the (rare) ones who say Oh sh** that was a bad idea. What can we do now to make things better?

I didn't vote for them either, PippaZ
However, my vote was wasted here.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff a good teacher will engage with their pupils (whatever the subject) motivate and nurture their quest for knowledge.

It is nowhere near that simple. Engaging with students is a real skill of mine. Vast numbers of British students don't have a quest for knowledge. They live in a nation that culturally only values education for the middle/upper classes.

Callistemon

. (Can’t remember if you voted Leave or Remain!)

Remain, Alegrias
But if life gives you bitter lemons etc

Dwelling on the past too much uses up energy which could be put to better use finding solutions for a better future. Focussing on things out of your control is exhausting and pointless.

Is it the case that if we rub your head three times you can fix the future or something? What a talent

I'm afraid many of us feel we can't. That only a government can. So saying what we think of those who brought us to this pretty pass might, in the end let the government know that we are not happy and not likely to be happy when they are looking for support at the next election. You never know.

Many teachers are handicapped by the attitudes which pupils bring with them.

Presumably those pupils may not be the ones who are interested in expanding their horizons anyway.

GrannyGravy13

Good try PippaZ if you do read my posts on the political threads you would have seen that I am not a Mr.Johnson fan, but hey ho twisting my words seems to be your ^modus operandi^

I didn't mention Johnson. Are you now saying you are not a Conservative supporter? If you are, I apologise - I missed that change of heart.

If you are still a Conservative supporter, isn't part of the raison d'être you support "small government" i.e. not sufficiently supporting the NHS, Schools, Care, etc.?

. (Can’t remember if you voted Leave or Remain!)

Remain, Alegrias
But if life gives you bitter lemons etc

Dwelling on the past too much uses up energy which could be put to better use finding solutions for a better future. Focussing on things out of your control is exhausting and pointless.

It has already been established that there is a surfeit of pilots in he EU.

And why is everyone so damn fixated on Chalet girls and ski instructors as though they were the only jobs in the EU that have ever been open to our young people? They do get older and want something a bit more substantial in the way of employment.

Because that is what the OP is about:
Already a huge problem for all those wanting to work in European resorts, be it in the leisure, sport or tourism of any form - and ski/snowboard instructors, sailing, surfing, etc. as 'equivalence' only applies to EU and Switzerland. Now those who aspire to be pilots, face the same problem as post-Brexit exclusion frustrates UK pilots as carriers seek EASA-licensed crews

The Ski Operators are now advertising for staff in all their resorts, requiring an EU passport for all staff, from cleaners, to reps and instructors.

How sad that opportunities for our grand-children are being dashed like this

I did say that Permanent careers in the EU for older people with qualifications are a different matter entirely.

Back to the OP -
We have 5 late teen-young adult grandchildren.
I tend to banish the subject from my mind, it's so painful, but then try to convince myself that because of their youth they still have the resilience of youth and the ability to be flexible and fight back. Thank God.
Hope so anyway.
ps the oldest is 22 and completed her apprenticeship as an industrial electrician. Same as her Dad.
She has been employed through Covid so is on good regular pay. She has started a degree and hopes this will help with promotion.
Very proud of her.

Good try PippaZ if you do read my posts on the political threads you would have seen that I am not a Mr.Johnson fan, but hey ho twisting my words seems to be your modus operandi

GrannyGravy13

How very condescending of you.

I am in no way blinkered regarding education.

If folks cannot see that a good teacher who has the ability to enthuse and engage their students has the ability to impart a love of language, well?

And if you cannot see that Education is a whole system and teachers are not to blame if the courses are not made available and paid for ... well!

I have yet to find a post where you admit that governments run these services and they are very much to blame if they bleed them dry.