A winter of very expensive heating and little food?

theworriedwell

Aveline

Alegrias we got there first!

Got where?

Hell in a hand cart.

JenniferEccles

Cold winter? How about the new religion which is man made global warming?

Two weeks from now, no chicken or pork available ?
I will try to make a mental note to check that.

Any more dire predictions or do we have to wait for tomorrow’s doom laden offering?

My local supermarket was at least half empty last week. A couple were walking round he kept looking at shelves and saying, "There's nothing, nothing." He was right. If you wanted some DIY tools there was plenty but hardly any meat, no semi skimmed milk, no cream, no fizzy drinks (well there was there own brand cola which is vile) no non bio washing powder, hardly any confectionery, no rice. I need to go back today so that will be interesting.

I'm in the south west by the way.

Zoejory

A lot of European countries are vaccinating over 12s which has boosted their figures.

www.euronews.com/next/2021/09/14/covid-vaccine-for-children-who-in-europe-is-leading-the-race

Funny that, vaccinating more people makes it look like you've vaccinated more people. God they are cunning devils.

Aveline

Alegrias we got there first!

Got where?

Hetty58

Alegrias and WW2, people choose to believe in exactly what suits them!

Andrew Marr has just suggested that those who deny climate change just cannot face the truth because it is too big and too awful.

It's one point of view.

Lincslass

Whitewavemark2

Lincslass

MaizieD

It's not just CO2. The rising cost of natural gas has implications for our electricity supply. Firstly in actual cost to the consumer as electricity produced by gas fired power stations becomes more expensive, and secondly, because we don't produce all our own electricity, some is supplied from Europe.

We're especially dependent on European electricity supply at the moment because wind powered units aren't producing enough (there's been an unusual lack of wind recently).

This twitter thread from 2018 lays out our position with regard to European supply of electricity and the implications for us as a result of Brexit.

Basically it says that in the event of a shortage of electricity EU states will prioritise supply to member states rather than to third countries; i.e the UK.

It may not happen, but it's as well to be aware..

There could be a rather bleak Christmas in prospect.

twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1014164096109961218

I was right, protectionism rules among the EU. If they don’t supply to us, then we stop paying. Or we could and should re nationalise. No other country should be allowed to blackmail another, which is what this will be.

Ridiculous

Funny I knew you would say that.

If you know what you are writing is going to be seen as ridiculous why not check what you are writing?

For instance; Are you aware we are not in the EU? If you are why are you concerned about them? Did you vote to leave? If you did why, having got your way, are you still blaming them? What are you going to "stop paying"?

Hetty58

Alegrias and WW2, people choose to believe in exactly what suits them!

Only the deniers.

Scientists are backed by the facts and clear evidence.

We live on the South Coast and we have seen with our own eyes the rise in sea levels over the past 20 years due to ice melt.

I can’t possibly deny that it is happening or I would get very wet feet!

Alegrias and WW2, people choose to believe in exactly what suits them!

We are well into global warming, and it’s effect is being feeling everywhere to one degree or another. U.K. government agencies have been planning for a number of years to try to mitigate its effects within a limited budget.

Climate deniers are either ignorant or stupid.

It's not how it starts, its how it finishes.

I don't understand why people are so desperate to downplay the effects of climate change. That time is gone.

The fires this year around the Med seem to have been worse than in previous years just to clarify, most were arson or caused by the intense sun reflected on the litter (glass, empty glass bottles etc) and igniting the dry forests. The fire that was raging last week for several days, behind Estapona in which a firefighter was killed, was reported in the Spanish press El Pais as being caused by criminal activity. Two warring drug gangs set fire to each other’s cannabis plants on the hillside. Just saying.

I worked for the Electricity Council in 1970/71. This was the co-ordinating body for the generating and supply boards. Back then there was an electricity cable connecting the UK and France. Obviously this was long before privatisation and usually we were buying from the French, rather than the other way round.

Even more obviously, the French will supply surplus electricity to any EU country that requires it before selling to the UK. As has been pointed out ad infinitum, we are no longer part of the club and now have 3rd country status.

Whitewavemark2

Lincslass

MaizieD

It's not just CO2. The rising cost of natural gas has implications for our electricity supply. Firstly in actual cost to the consumer as electricity produced by gas fired power stations becomes more expensive, and secondly, because we don't produce all our own electricity, some is supplied from Europe.

We're especially dependent on European electricity supply at the moment because wind powered units aren't producing enough (there's been an unusual lack of wind recently).

This twitter thread from 2018 lays out our position with regard to European supply of electricity and the implications for us as a result of Brexit.

Basically it says that in the event of a shortage of electricity EU states will prioritise supply to member states rather than to third countries; i.e the UK.

It may not happen, but it's as well to be aware..

There could be a rather bleak Christmas in prospect.

twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1014164096109961218

I was right, protectionism rules among the EU. If they don’t supply to us, then we stop paying. Or we could and should re nationalise. No other country should be allowed to blackmail another, which is what this will be.

Ridiculous

Funny I knew you would say that.

JenniferEccles

Some scientists have said that although climate change is happening, as we have had periods of heating and cooling over many centuries, they question just how much human behaviour influences it.

They may be right or they may be wrong, but it’s never discussed.

It is often discussed but perhaps you don't read the right journals? Surely the activities of humans in the last 150 - 200 years have played a major part in global warming (ie since the industrial revolutions). I don't think that there were many humanoids or fires prior to the last ice age.

In California they are wrapping a large sequoia known as General Sherman in aluminum foil in order to protect it from fire. This tree is estimated to be between 2300 and 2700 years old. Between August and December last year it is estimated that between 7,500 and 10,000 giant sequoias were destroyed in the fires.

Usually, when there are forest fires, the fire sweeps over fairly quickly and the trees recover. In recent years the fires have been too intense and too frequent to allow recovery.

The fires this year around the Med seem to have been worse than in previous years and the polar ice caps are melting faster than has previously been seen.

Thanks for the link Maizie.

Lincslass

MaizieD

It's not just CO2. The rising cost of natural gas has implications for our electricity supply. Firstly in actual cost to the consumer as electricity produced by gas fired power stations becomes more expensive, and secondly, because we don't produce all our own electricity, some is supplied from Europe.

We're especially dependent on European electricity supply at the moment because wind powered units aren't producing enough (there's been an unusual lack of wind recently).

This twitter thread from 2018 lays out our position with regard to European supply of electricity and the implications for us as a result of Brexit.

Basically it says that in the event of a shortage of electricity EU states will prioritise supply to member states rather than to third countries; i.e the UK.

It may not happen, but it's as well to be aware..

There could be a rather bleak Christmas in prospect.

twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1014164096109961218

I was right, protectionism rules among the EU. If they don’t supply to us, then we stop paying. Or we could and should re nationalise. No other country should be allowed to blackmail another, which is what this will be.

Do you actually think about what you are saying Lincslass?

We have no agreement with these countries and they have agreements with other countries. It's a bit more formal than children sharing sweets for heavens sake. They are not blackmailing us. There is no agreement for us to help each other. It would have to be a two-way thing and a few years ago people voted to stop all that. Sheesh!

Some form of nationalisation would help - but I don't think it will happen by Christmas, do you?

JenniferEccles

Some scientists have said that although climate change is happening, as we have had periods of heating and cooling over many centuries, they question just how much human behaviour influences it.

They may be right or they may be wrong, but it’s never discussed.

Here's a link to a climate change discussion we had on GN recently. Especially relevant to the claim that climate change isn't anthropogenic. Its discussed all the time, BTW.
www.gransnet.com/forums/science_nature_environment/1299506-Possible-gulf-stream-collapse

I quote myself : There are a group of people who think they've discovered that Climate Change is a cooked up idea to sell papers or allow big business to make billions. 97% of climate scientists agree with the evidence that climate change is man made. Possibly the other 3% agree that the world is flat, who knows.

Ice ages are cyclical and occur every 75,000 to 100,000 years. We're in an interglacial right now, and the changes we are observing now in our climate have happened over a period of about 50 years. This isn't natural.

Those scientists of whom you speak? They are definitely wrong.

WWM2, feel free to jump in.

Lincslass

MaizieD

It's not just CO2. The rising cost of natural gas has implications for our electricity supply. Firstly in actual cost to the consumer as electricity produced by gas fired power stations becomes more expensive, and secondly, because we don't produce all our own electricity, some is supplied from Europe.

We're especially dependent on European electricity supply at the moment because wind powered units aren't producing enough (there's been an unusual lack of wind recently).

This twitter thread from 2018 lays out our position with regard to European supply of electricity and the implications for us as a result of Brexit.

Basically it says that in the event of a shortage of electricity EU states will prioritise supply to member states rather than to third countries; i.e the UK.

It may not happen, but it's as well to be aware..

There could be a rather bleak Christmas in prospect.

twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1014164096109961218

I was right, protectionism rules among the EU. If they don’t supply to us, then we stop paying. Or we could and should re nationalise. No other country should be allowed to blackmail another, which is what this will be.

Ridiculous

Oh, I'm going to enjoy this. ????

MaizieD

It's not just CO2. The rising cost of natural gas has implications for our electricity supply. Firstly in actual cost to the consumer as electricity produced by gas fired power stations becomes more expensive, and secondly, because we don't produce all our own electricity, some is supplied from Europe.

We're especially dependent on European electricity supply at the moment because wind powered units aren't producing enough (there's been an unusual lack of wind recently).

This twitter thread from 2018 lays out our position with regard to European supply of electricity and the implications for us as a result of Brexit.

Basically it says that in the event of a shortage of electricity EU states will prioritise supply to member states rather than to third countries; i.e the UK.

It may not happen, but it's as well to be aware..

There could be a rather bleak Christmas in prospect.

twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1014164096109961218

I was right, protectionism rules among the EU. If they don’t supply to us, then we stop paying. Or we could and should re nationalise. No other country should be allowed to blackmail another, which is what this will be.

Some scientists have said that although climate change is happening, as we have had periods of heating and cooling over many centuries, they question just how much human behaviour influences it.

They may be right or they may be wrong, but it’s never discussed.

JenniferEccles

Cold winter? How about the new religion which is man made global warming?

Two weeks from now, no chicken or pork available ?
I will try to make a mental note to check that.

Any more dire predictions or do we have to wait for tomorrow’s doom laden offering?

Do you really expect to be taken seriously after that first line?

Alegrias1

^Cold winter? How about the new religion which is man made global warming?^

cold winter = weather

Global warming Climate change = climate.

Do try to keep up.

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Cold winter? How about the new religion which is man made global warming?

cold winter = weather

Global warming Climate change = climate.

Do try to keep up.

Sorry, posted too early. I'll try again...