Does anyone here believe, as I do, that Johnson is finished (and I am sure HE does know himself)

Keir Starmer was to some the messiah for the Labour Party. He’s been a big disappointment to most. Angela Rayner is the darling of the unions. Her star is rising thanks to them.

That alone should see Boris’ popularity soar.

No, I don’t se any indications.

Aren't comments like these wheeled out all the time?

We weren't going to leave the EU. Many posters on social media were convinced. Boris would never be leader. Wrong again. Corbyn would win the election. Nope.

People are regretting their votes? So what? Means nothing at all. I know a couple of Remainers who wish they'd voted for Brexit! So what to them as well. Can't do anything about it now.

At this moment most of us can get petrol. We can get food. Possibly not all foods we're used to be nobody's going to starve

It's just another moment in time.

OOps I meant Barnard Castle !

Flu season and cold weather approaching - winter of discontent ahead for sure. Oh and I totally agree re Gove or Truss... or any of them, really. Perhaps Sunak?

We know Labour is un-electable at the moment, and that is tragic and all of its own making. Conference proves that- hellbet on fighting each other instead of Tories! But that does not mean Johnson is not finished.

Running out of petrol and some things in shops is one thing - when we run out of chemicals for water purification (soon), and cancer treating isotopes...and essential utilities like gas and electricty, just as winter is coming + the flu season and shortages in hospitals and care homes, etc, etc, is another.

I do believe the Tories are a-turning- including the Cabinet. Wait and see. And if you don't see the signs, perhaps you should go to Durham ;) lol.

No. Mind you getting Brexit done, a pandemic and now a perfect storm brewing - if it were me I’d throw in the towel!

That said, it’s the Labour Party conference in Brighton now. A chance for them to shine and perhaps impress us all with what they would do. Or maybe not.

Many think Boris is underwhelming.
The Labour shadow front bench ‘don’t impress me much’ to quote Shania Twain!

So, no.

We are in for a winter of discontent almost certainly , but if the alternative is Michael Gove or Liz Truss, then better the devil you know springs to mind.

Witzend

Talking of beer shortages, MaizieD……

I also posted this earlier today (on the petrol thread)
Great minds and all that…….

Witzend

Talking of beer shortages, MaizieD……

Brilliant ?

I'm not a Brexit or Johnson supporter.

It makes no difference if you can view a situation objectively whether signs are visible or not, and I cannot see any signs, sorry.

No, I can't see any signs at all.

And I'm not a Brexit or Johnson supporter

However I am capable of realising that any leader must be having a rather wretched time at present.

Waiting and seeing is as we can do

And we still have a while to wait

Interesting responses, thanks. Many of the people I know who voted for Brexit, and supported Johnson's appointment - have now totally turned. And it seems much of the Tory and tabloid Press.

But yes, I did not expect Brexiters and Johnson supporters on GN to do so, or to state so.

Wait and see.

It's not Johnson or reactions to what he says or even the public we need to look to for signs.
We would need to see signs of no confidence in the Cabinet or other Tory MPs, or a leader could signal that they may resign.

I haven't seen any signs yet but admit I wasn't observing very closely.

No, but I am encouraged by the fact that he is talking of the need to grow up.

Talking of beer shortages, MaizieD……

I don't know. There was some talk of unhappiness in the back benches and that the recent reshuffle was an attempt to keep them all 'keen' (i.e in hopes of promotion) and stop them rebelling over the removal of the £20 'uplift' from UC. The red wall MPs will feel that, as many of them are in areas of deprivation.

How they will cope with Sunak's inevitable austerity budget will be interesting. Council budgets are set to be pruned - levelling up money isn't as generous as it is meant to look...

And if there is a beer and turkey shortage at Christmas... well, anything could happen.

Only in your dreams. Wishful thinking.

No.

No.

Kali2

I am talking about Johnson here.

Even the Conservative Financial Times is coming to that conclusion

One thing is clear. However the coronavirus crisis plays out in Britain, the Boris Johnson government we thought we knew is over. The rest of his premiership will be spent on this crisis and its aftermath. There will be little space for anything else. And that is assuming that he is still in place to oversee the aftermath.

Some of his government’s innate Gaullism may still fit with what comes next, but other aspects of the Johnson revolution, the assault on the civil service or the BBC, the drive for lower taxation and some of the regional policy are vanishing before our eyes.

Even Brexit must have a question mark over its completion, if not yet on whether it happens, most definitely on when.

There is obviously no certainty that Mr Johnson comes through this as prime minister at all, though those dreaming of his downfall should remember that the worse things get for him the worse they must first have got for the nation. While he has the parliamentary numbers to stay in power, there could conceivably come a point when early mistakes cost him the support of his own party and the country. If he gets through the crisis he may be broken by it and the recriminations which follow. There is no avoiding the grisly global scorecard against which he will be judged. But even if he endures, the landscape will be changed entirely.

I take it you are quoting from the FT?

Simply no.

The Labour party conference started today - Keir Starmer could well be finished before Bozzer.

No

I am talking about Johnson here.

Even the Conservative Financial Times is coming to that conclusion

One thing is clear. However the coronavirus crisis plays out in Britain, the Boris Johnson government we thought we knew is over. The rest of his premiership will be spent on this crisis and its aftermath. There will be little space for anything else. And that is assuming that he is still in place to oversee the aftermath.

Some of his government’s innate Gaullism may still fit with what comes next, but other aspects of the Johnson revolution, the assault on the civil service or the BBC, the drive for lower taxation and some of the regional policy are vanishing before our eyes.

Even Brexit must have a question mark over its completion, if not yet on whether it happens, most definitely on when.

There is obviously no certainty that Mr Johnson comes through this as prime minister at all, though those dreaming of his downfall should remember that the worse things get for him the worse they must first have got for the nation. While he has the parliamentary numbers to stay in power, there could conceivably come a point when early mistakes cost him the support of his own party and the country. If he gets through the crisis he may be broken by it and the recriminations which follow. There is no avoiding the grisly global scorecard against which he will be judged. But even if he endures, the landscape will be changed entirely.

We are nowhere near a general election so those YouGov figures are not likely to bother the Tory party.