Can someone please explain this to me please. Pregnant people’ -‘Not right to say only women have a cervix, ‘

I done a survey on-line a few weeks ago and then the person just wanted a quick few questions on male-female, ethnicity
age, etc;
They had already asked if I was male or female to which I answered female then they asked a few other questions the person then asked me if I was born female or if I had transitioned. I just started laughing because that is one question I have never been asked but they said it is new to ask questions like that now because of trans people.
I just told him I was born a female have always been a female and am still a female and at the moment have no plans to become anything else. I think the world has gone mad.

cannotbelieve what a ridiculous waste of time. Do they actually get anything done in the meeting other than people identifying as a different gender?

cannotbelieveiamaskingthis208

I have also been working hard to keep current with new terms. My oldest son is currently working his first job after Uni and they have to state their preferred pronouns at the beginning of each meeting. I think this is a great way to clarify for everyone. The company also feels that gender is "fluid" so that you could identify as "she" at the beginning of a meeting and midway through you could want to identify as "they". or "he". If that happens you are to speak up or raise your hand and alert your colleagues that your identification has changed during the meeting.

It’s not a great way to clarify for everyone, it’s forced speech. People being made to say what they are. Why should they have to do that? Also, how does it protect someone who is perhaps confused about their own status, or has yet to come out to their family and friends, to be made to declare pronouns?

Forsythia

I’m confused about the cervix issue. Does this mean that trans women are operated on so that they have a cervix?

no, i think it is about transmen, who have a cervix, but would not identify as being women.
although born with female parts, inc cervix.
eg transman freddy, the 'dad who gave birth'.
www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/20/the-dad-who-gave-birth-pregnant-trans-freddy-mcconnell

It just shows how weak Starmer is. He couldn't admit that only women have a cervix in case the mad activists attacked him. He didn't defend his MP who had been threatened for telling the truth.
No one had said anything anti trans. This seems to be about denying women and their rights.

cannotbelieveiamaskingthis208

I have also been working hard to keep current with new terms. My oldest son is currently working his first job after Uni and they have to state their preferred pronouns at the beginning of each meeting. I think this is a great way to clarify for everyone. The company also feels that gender is "fluid" so that you could identify as "she" at the beginning of a meeting and midway through you could want to identify as "they". or "he". If that happens you are to speak up or raise your hand and alert your colleagues that your identification has changed during the meeting.

When you are in a meeting it's usual to use someone's name or at a pinch their job title........Mary, Doctor etc Otherwise you're most likely to use I, we, you. Refering to 'he has asked....' instead of 'Jack has asked' seems decidedly rude to me.

Why would you be so concentrating on your inner 'feelings' instead of the topic in question as to be aware your pronoun choice had changed mid meeting. Smacks of 'look at me, I'm special' So do you suddenly swop your pronoun badge or expect everybody else to put in the effort to remember you've had a change?

And just as an aside the employer is in breech of the Yogyakarta Principles article 6f Ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others. compulsory declaration of pronouns is covered by this section. They really need to brush up on their inclusiveness.

Yes me too Maggiemaybe

agree Terribull

The company also feels that gender is "fluid" so that you could identify as "she" at the beginning of a meeting and midway through you could want to identify as "they". or "he". If that happens you are to speak up or raise your hand and alert your colleagues that your identification has changed during the meeting.

I’m so glad I’ve retired. With the best will in the world I had trouble in meetings retaining all the names for more than 5 minutes, let alone having to remember what pronoun everyone wanted to use. Badges would have to be worn.

I’m genuinely interested - how often does someone change their pronoun during the course of a meeting?

Trans ideology is effectively eradicating women and girls being those of the female sex.

It means on the whole that anyone who calls themselves a woman but who is fact of the male sex can access women only places like women's refuges, sport and leisure, hospital wards etc.

Would you, for example, want your teenage granddaughter to be forced to use a changing room or shower alongside a male teenager who is there because he 'identifies' as a girl? Or for your elderly mother to have an intact man who identifies as female in the bed next to her on a geriatric ward?

Once you start defining women by something other than our sex, this is what happens. Wake up everyone, this is happening now.

I am tired of being dictated to by men either cis men or trans. Once again we are being marginalised.

SueDonim

The Lancet’s view of women v men.

Not only outrageous but highly insulting too and from The Lancet as well In the interests of equality, why are men simply still just that "men" and not "people with penises?" Why would anyone wish to be classified by their individual body parts?

It's all such a load of people with bollocks!

I have also been working hard to keep current with new terms. My oldest son is currently working his first job after Uni and they have to state their preferred pronouns at the beginning of each meeting. I think this is a great way to clarify for everyone. The company also feels that gender is "fluid" so that you could identify as "she" at the beginning of a meeting and midway through you could want to identify as "they". or "he". If that happens you are to speak up or raise your hand and alert your colleagues that your identification has changed during the meeting.

But surely this furore has erupted in the context of screening for cervical cancer, so if we stick to that point it doesn't mean that our genitalia' define our whole identities', Violet Sky (if it was you who first said this further up, sorry if not).
I think the argument is just that women who are transitioning to become men, or identify as men, but haven't had their female reproductive organs removed, can still suffer from cervical cancer and so should have screening tests. Hard to think that they are not already aware of that anyway.

It seems a pity that healthcare settings can't just leave their staff to operate with kindness and respect as they always do.

I started to do an online survey for one of those health magazines a short while ago, but they kept referring to men as "penis havers" so I didn't bother completing it. All these ridiculous terms are even more confusing for me, I'm sick of it.

It won't be eliminated all the while people use it, so use it as often as possible, to mean what you want it to mean. Use the word as Humpty Dumpty used words in Alice in Wonderland.

""When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Yes, the word woman is being eradicated and it's outrageous.

Kandinsky

So the word ‘woman’ is being eradicated?

This is scary stuff.

I agree Kandinsky exactly how it seems to me too.

Yes, men can still be just men, with no new terms inclusive of trans men. Unless I’ve missed something?

No one is eradicating the word "woman" and there is nothing to be scared of.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I thought a "trans" person was a man or boy who chooses to identify with the female sex, calling himself by a female name and wanting other to refer to him as she and her.

OR a woman or girl who identifies with the male sex, uses a male name and wishes to be spoken of as he or him.

But that "trans" gendered people have not had a sex change operation. If that had been done they would have been given new legal identities as members of the gender they had changed physically to.

The new thing is that a certain number of (young?) people either do not feel they can identify completely either with the male or female sex. Some of them feel they are men in a woman's body, or women in a man's, others are not particularly concerned with their physical attributes but feel no need to be classed as belonging to the one or other sex.

Therefore they prefer to be referred to as they or them, even although there is only one of them, instead of as he and him, or she and her.

Have I misuderstood all this?

This is their choice and right and I am happy to respect it, although I admittedly do not know whether someone with male physiology should use a ladies' public toilet or not, or one with female physiology a gents',

On linguistic grounds I feel it is ridiculous to talk of persons in labour, or expectant persons, rather than women in these specifically female conditions, or persons suffering from prostate or testicular cancer, when we all know that these are not illnesses we women have to worry about!

So the word ‘woman’ is being eradicated?

This is scary stuff.

The Lancet’s view of women v men.

To Espee A woman/person without a cervix ?

Hell’s bells. I don’t have a cervix. What does that make me?

Bridie22

Nope they will luckily just be men !!

That’s not right then