Gina Miller the woman who tried to stop Brexit starting new party called 'True and Fair' ?

Which may be something to do with Germany's lower number of covid deaths and higher measures of productivity and GDP.

Racingsparrow

Germany at the moment is good example of of the pitfalls of a coalition government. There are two parties with an almost equal percentage of the vote. Two more with smaller but also almost equal percentage who will now barter with each other to form a government. This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for

No, it leaves a politically mature electorate which understands that it needs to compromise and, in the process, will get at least something it voted for.

Racingsparrow Leaving a country dependant on exports is better than leaving it dependant on imports. In any case, it has largely weathered the storm of losing export markets and the fall out of the trade war between the US and China. The new Chancellor would be wise to rebalance the German economy,which I'm sure he'll do.

You don't seem to understand that having two parties with similar number of votes has been the outcome of nearly every UK election. The system leaves the majority unrepresented every time.

What on earth do you mean by an "emasculated government? It's highly unlikely that AfD will be part of any mix. The major parties would prefer to work together (as they did in the last coalition) than allow the AfD to be coalition partners.

I'm afraid I think your assessment of Germany and its economy and politics is way off the mark.

Kali2

racingsparrow your comment truly made me laugh ''This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for''

what do you think happens in the UK with the FPTP system- every time!

Indeed I think it was 57% of the vote in the 2019 GE that did not go to the Conservatives. And that's the smallest number since 1979. In 2015 63% did not vote for Cameron

racingsparrow your comment truly made me laugh ''This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for''

what do you think happens in the UK with the FPTP system- every time!

Germany is still the richest country in Europe, thanks to a good, democratic electoral system.

The pitfalls are that the government could be centrist, left wing or if the Alternative fuhr Deutsland get into the mix it could be extreme right wing. With the percentage mix that has been generated you could end up with a government that will be emasculated by conflicting demands.

Angela Merkel has not been that good a Chancellor. She has left the country with a disintegrating infrastructure and a country that is totally dependant on exports.

Racingsparrow

Germany at the moment is good example of of the pitfalls of a coalition government. There are two parties with an almost equal percentage of the vote. Two more with smaller but also almost equal percentage who will now barter with each other to form a government. This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for

The German coalition government when it is formed will represent a majority of voters,

That is democracy.

Our appalling government was voted in by a minority of voters.

That is not democracy..

Racingsparrow

Germany at the moment is good example of of the pitfalls of a coalition government. There are two parties with an almost equal percentage of the vote. Two more with smaller but also almost equal percentage who will now barter with each other to form a government. This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for

Why is that a pitfall Racingsparrow? The Germans seem happy to work with it or have I missed the marches for FPTP?

Show your evidence

Germany at the moment is good example of of the pitfalls of a coalition government. There are two parties with an almost equal percentage of the vote. Two more with smaller but also almost equal percentage who will now barter with each other to form a government. This will leave a large number of voters with a government that they did not vote for

What hope do we have of turning the UK into a democracy when there is an unholy alliance between the tax dodging billionaires who fund the Tory Party and the dinosaurs who control the trades unions who fund the Labour Party to maintain the obscenely undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system at all costs?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/27/unions-vote-down-local-labour-parties-call-to-axe-first-past-the-post

Whitewavemark2

It’s rocket man now.

And all this science I don't understand, it's just my job five days a week

It’s rocket man now.

growstuff

lemongrove

Just to add, Gina Miller is wasting her time and money.

Well, it's better than wasting somebody else's money.

...and time? very true.

Oh God I bet he will be too! Is my memory failing me or didn't this happen before with R Kelly? and if so, why on earth was it allowed to happen again?

P Andrew will be revealed to know R Kelly . Are you really Allegra Stratton fishing for ideas?

MaizieD

^How they will distract us in January when the sh*t really hits the Brexit fan will be interesting to see.^

When is Boris's billionth baby due?

P Andrew will be revealed to know R Kelly

growstuff

There is more to democracy than putting an X in a box and the candidate with the most Xs winning.

Systems have evolved over centuries in the UK to preserve democracy - the judiciary, civil service, etc. - but they're being dismantled before people's eyes. It defies belief that people can't see it.

Totally growstuff.

billionth unfortunately I think a lot of people may be ill again over winter and that is a distraction in itself, especially on a personal level for people and families

How they will distract us in January when the sh*t really hits the Brexit fan will be interesting to see.

When is Boris's billionth baby due?

Meanwhile, we have distraction after distraction. When the masses tire of talking about H&M, we have a fuel delivery issue to occupy us, then we will have turkey, tinsel and toys shortages. There has also been the pandemic to blame for everything that this disgrace of a government has handled, and to blame for the slow dismantling of the NHS. How they will distract us in January when the sh*t really hits the Brexit fan will be interesting to see.

Oh??I’ve just read the rest of the thread.

Scones

Whitewavemark2 Who are these 28 people please and where can we find out more information about this?

Members of the ERG you can find their names on line,
. The report on the dinner was in the Observer I think, but, I read so much I forget.

This explains what they did and why:

thecritic.co.uk/issues/february-2020/spartans-who-remade-britain/