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Is this a humiliation for Glasgow? ?

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Urmstongran Thu 21-Oct-21 10:05:15

Strikes by binmen, piles of rubbish (and rats) in the streets, road-blocking protests and hotel rooms priced at £1,400 a night set to cast shadow over UN Climate Change Conference which starts on 31 October. Maybe it’s a ‘trick’ for Halloween ?

Marydoll Mon 25-Oct-21 15:21:48

Petera, I stand corrected. I only went back to late 18th century English, but I now know differently.

1711, "an exclusive party of persons; a small set, especially one associating to arrogate power or privilege," from obsolete French clique, which meant originally (14c.) "a sharp noise," also "latch, bolt of a door," from Old French cliquer "click, clatter, crackle, clink,"

I am hanging my head in shame. I can longer claim to be a linguist.

PS, do you want to join our clique? We do make quite a lot of noise! wink

Petera Mon 25-Oct-21 15:13:34

Marydoll

We three are in agreement! Does that make us a clique? It would be even more appropriate if clique was a French word, but I dont think it is!

It is. Principally used for military musicians.

Marydoll Mon 25-Oct-21 15:07:58

We three are in agreement! Does that make us a clique? It would be even more appropriate if clique was a French word, but I dont think it is!

Alegrias1 Mon 25-Oct-21 14:24:45

I'm going to guess French as well because if it had been Scots, it would have been "Stewart"wink

Kalu Mon 25-Oct-21 14:20:22

As Mary Stuart said in a Scottish accent translates to Marie Stuart in French with a French accent. If it was understood, I would think the accent used was French!

Kali2 Mon 25-Oct-21 12:03:04

Maremia

Sometimes it helped if you said 'Marie Stuart', with an accent of course. They seemed to get it then.

Which accent, French or Scottish.

paddyann54 Mon 25-Oct-21 12:00:45

School history was where my exchange student learned about the dual nationality ,he was late teens when we had him here in 2006 so it was still being taught then ,

Kalu Mon 25-Oct-21 11:34:53

Alegrias1

I have in the past been known to draw a map. blush

? More often than not, mentioning the Auld Alliance helped as one neighbour explained to me this was part of a history lesson at school. A few people also knew about Nessie and I kept the myth going, bien sur!

Maremia Mon 25-Oct-21 10:34:17

Sometimes it helped if you said 'Marie Stuart', with an accent of course. They seemed to get it then.

Petera Mon 25-Oct-21 09:56:09

Marydoll

Did you have an appropriate response en français, Petera?

By the time I thought in French, it would have been too late. I am never quick enough! grin

No, there was a bit of jaw flapping while I tried to come up with something and failed. And I still haven't - so no esprit de l'escalier - beyond getting a map out, becoming earnest, and starting to point at things.

Alegrias1 Mon 25-Oct-21 09:55:03

I have in the past been known to draw a map. blush

Marydoll Mon 25-Oct-21 09:34:00

Did you have an appropriate response en français, Petera?

By the time I thought in French, it would have been too late. I am never quick enough! grin

Petera Mon 25-Oct-21 09:28:36

Alegrias1

When I lived in France many (most?) people referred to the inhabitants of the UK as anglais. So I used to explain that I wasn't anglaise, I was écossaise. Everybody was very understanding and usually interested to hear I was écossaise, and knew I came from Scotland, and completely understood Scotland's different culture and history. Then they'd go right back to using anglaise. They weren't being awkward, but the word was used there to mean the inhabitants of the UK, it's just how it was sad

It still happens - I have a French colleague who referred to me as anglaise, I explained that, no I was écossaise. She looked at me patiently and explained ...et je suis parisienne, mais je suis aussi française

Marydoll Mon 25-Oct-21 08:19:17

Same thing happened to me Alegtias, when a colleague and I were studying in Lyons. We used to get asked frequently where we were from. If they asked anglaise, I would respond with, Anglaise, pas tous, je suis écossaise!!! It was usually met with a smile and, Ah je comprends la différence.
Vive la différence! I am proud of my heritage! However, that doesn't mean I dislike the English!

Alegrias1 Mon 25-Oct-21 07:56:11

When I lived in France many (most?) people referred to the inhabitants of the UK as anglais. So I used to explain that I wasn't anglaise, I was écossaise. Everybody was very understanding and usually interested to hear I was écossaise, and knew I came from Scotland, and completely understood Scotland's different culture and history. Then they'd go right back to using anglaise. They weren't being awkward, but the word was used there to mean the inhabitants of the UK, it's just how it was sad

Marydoll Mon 25-Oct-21 00:34:07

Touché!

paddyann54 Mon 25-Oct-21 00:26:24

Kali"2 a little remembered fact that was told to me by a foreign exchange student we had from Paris.Scots had dual citizenship WITH France until 1903 . A leftover from the Auld Alliance I believe and until then we had the right to a French passport so I think most French people know the difference between Scotland and England .

Lolo81 Sun 24-Oct-21 23:02:10

The cruise ship being used for accommodation is for several purposes - but predominantly to aid the police force in the huge security effort that’s being undertaken. I have a family member who is involved in the travel aspect and the planning etc (and background checks) have been ongoing for months.
Travel wise it’s a bloody nightmare for anyone in the vicinity! Was picking my daughter up from the hydro the other night and ended up doing a city tour because the expressway was all coned up.

Marydoll Sun 24-Oct-21 22:46:10

Rosbifs became a mark of the Englishman as far as the French were concerned in the 18th Century, simply because it was a very popular way of cooking.

Never heard it referring to the Scots. Now if it had been, Les tartes au steak ( not quite sure what the accurate translation of traditional Scottish steak pie is) I could accept that.

Kali2 Sun 24-Oct-21 22:03:40

Well, I am afraid that is true. The French always talk about 'les anglais' and not 'les citoyens de la Grande Bretagne' - aka 'les rosbifs'.

Alegrias1 Sun 24-Oct-21 22:01:41

For much of the world, the UK is England. ?

But I'm working on it. ?

Kali2 Sun 24-Oct-21 21:34:59

Thanks- yes, of course. For the world out there, the UK is the UK- I'm afraid.

paddyann54 Sun 24-Oct-21 21:26:14

kali2 thats NOT happening in Scotland,Scottish water is still nationalised .Its private water companies aided and abbeted by WM governments who are poisoning English water .No doubt for their own gain!!

Kali2 Sun 24-Oct-21 20:55:13

Raw sewage poured into our waters is NOT a good look for an environmental summit!

Aveline Sat 23-Oct-21 17:37:36

Huge surge in Covid cases due to it though. angry