Is Macron sabre rattling?

Precisely my thoughts too Urmstongran. No mention of Joe Biden falling asleep, or his deeply pathetic embarrassing press comments? or the hypocrisy of certain delegates travel arrangements! No of course not, only Boris is taken to task. No mention (I wonder why?!!) of the Israeli representative unable to attend owing to lack of wheel chair facilities? surely that's pretty disgraceful? The bias on these threads from certain posters is astonishing, but sadly predictable.

No comment then about the French fishermen’s ‘fibs’?
Or Macron’s spat with Morrison?

Imagine the outcry on here if the situations were reversed.

Leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union was the most stupid thing ever, and leaves the UK in a very isolated and very vulnerable position. VERY.

Does it make any difference to this

So huff, and puff and rattle those proverbial sabres ... won't make much difference. If the EU decides, the UK can be locked out of all supply chains very fast.

Rattled that they’ve all be found out?

Maybe they should give up fishing and take up cherry picking

Well it almost makes a refreshing change.

EU and US announce global methane emissions plan.
UK tells jokes, loses its trouser button and falls asleep next to David Attenborough without a face mask and scratches his a**e in a globally televised programme about the vital and massively important summit. Proud?

So ..... Macron caught out lying about the Aussies and their fishermen caught out lying about license applications.

Why was Macron missing from the big photo?

And surely there are far more important things at COP26 to be reported on an hourly basis?

So today they are saying Macron backed down because Jersey came up with new proposals and so talks can go forward.
Looks like his threats were listened to and he had the good
sense to back off as a result.

Peasblossom, this is a complex and long-term debate. The most informed journalist that I have found on the subject is John Lichfield who is bilingual and lives in Normandy. This article gives insight into the complexities.
www.thelocal.fr/20211001/analysis-why-the-new-fishing-row-between-france-and-uk-could-get-nasty/
I would also ask you why you think Guernsey has managed to arrive at agreement when Jersey has not?

Peasblossom

Yup.

My question is the same though. Why not when France was allocated 85% of the catch. Long before 2019.

Thanks Alegrias1. And my questions to Peasblossom are the same though.

* Why did you say the North Sea quota was 85% when it was 4%?

* Why did you pluck out a single figure from a small area to completely misrepresent the cod quota of the EU? (And to follow up Alegrias1’s general point – a cod quota that was agreed in EU council by the UK fisheries minister when it was set)

Can I answer Petera?

Because the quotas were based on the actual share of the fishing in various areas in the seventies before we joined the EEC, and it was part of the treaty we signed up to. Neither Westminster nor any of our representatives on any of the EEC/EU bodies tried to get it changed, they just moaned about the EU applying treaties we'd signed up to.

See any parallels?

Yup.

My question is the same though. Why not when France was allocated 85% of the catch. Long before 2019.

Peasblossom

I’m interested to know why those so impassioned about about the plight of French fishermen were not bothered at all about British fishermen when the EU allocated 85% of the cod catch of the North Sea to France and destroyed the livelihoods of many.

a) I didn’t know
b) I think it’s right that France should have had the bulk of the quota
c) I don’t care about British fishermen
d) Whatever the EU does is fine by me
e) to protest would have meant I had to argue against my political deals

Actually I expect this post will be ignored. That’s the usual tactic when somebody poses a difficult question or points out a fact that challenges.

OK so I won't ignore it. The true figure for the North Sea so about 4%. The 85% comes from the Eastern Channel.

The vast majority of the cod quota is in the area north of the Faroes between Notrway and Greenland in international waters.

In 2019 the UK had almost half of the EU quota in that area, France had about 5%.

And here is the source eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32019R0124&from=EN

Maime of course France will act for its own citizens. I hope you would also agree that Jersey should act for its people.

I’d be interested to know which of the possible scenarios you think should be enacted.

Licences and catch limits should be adjusted to preserve the marine environment around Jersey. The Jersey Government elects to maintain the current level of licences for Jersey fishermen and to reduce their catch. It chooses to reduce the number of licences of other nations and reduces their catch similarly. (The original decision)

The number of licences issued to Jersey fishermen remains constant but their catches are reduced to lessen the impact of fishing on the marine environment. Other nations also have all their licences granted and disagree with any adjustment of catch. The long term prognosis for the marine environment is poor. (The current situation)

Neither Jersey fishermen nor other nations have any restrictions on the number of licences or the catch. The marine environment cannot be sustained.

I think it a pity that both sides, including posters on GN, have taken the stance that partisan Political triumph (not to mention individual ego) is the most important thing here.
I see no hope for the planet whilst this is the case.

I would be interested to know which scenario you think should be enacted.

Lit Truss is green with anger, and says she will turn to Dutch ports to avoid France. The EU will stick together- and they have the full support of the USA.

So huff, and puff and rattle those proverbial sabres ... won't make much difference. If the EU decides, the UK can be locked out of all supply chains very fast.

lemongrove

Nonsense....we don’t have elections coming up.

Not just any raw meat- French raw meat which they crave, somehow.

Perhaps no elections right now, but as traditional Conservatives turn against him, and the newly acquired one realising they habe been fooled, big time - he needs all the help he can get and all the distraction from reality he can fathom.

Urmstongran

Well Castex writes a letter clearly stating that leaving the union must damage the UK and Brussels orders the UK not to be confrontational ,this is astounding for its sheer audacity and even the most hard-core remainer can't possibly think this is acceptable,can they?

Just go and read the letter. It doesn't say anything of the kind, let alone clearly, despite how the media have been representing it.

What it actually says is "there is more harm in leaving the union than remaining in it". Even the most hard-core leaver can't possibly think that someone who supports the union would believe that you can have all the advantages without being a member, can they?

Unless, of course, you're Boris Johnson.

Peasblossom my observations are from reading the local press in French with explanations and statements from the fishing community, plus what I see and hear when buying fish at local ports on the Calvados coast. It may give me a biased view, but it is first-hand (and in French).
I am sure there are some people whose evidence might be limited, but equally there have been plenty of evidenced statements of dubious and bizarre decisions by the Jersey authorities.
The French government is acting to protect the interests of French citizens. I do find it strange that some people find it hard to understand that.

That’s for Maizie not Alegrias.

My interest is personal and my knowledge based on both research and what I have seen and experienced.

You don’t appear to have any interest other than to justify your political stance, with no reference to reality. But often se emotive language, exaggeration and factual inaccuracies.

Therefore I would suggest that my posts are of more validity than yours for anyone who is interested in understanding what is happening and why

Peasblossom

I’m interested to know why those so impassioned about about the plight of French fishermen were not bothered at all about British fishermen when the EU allocated 85% of the cod catch of the North Sea to France and destroyed the livelihoods of many.

a) I didn’t know
b) I think it’s right that France should have had the bulk of the quota
c) I don’t care about British fishermen
d) Whatever the EU does is fine by me
e) to protest would have meant I had to argue against my political deals

Actually I expect this post will be ignored. That’s the usual tactic when somebody poses a difficult question or points out a fact that challenges.

I spent the first 20 years of my life in Scotland's largest white fishing port.

I'm a bit jaded by the fishermen bemoaning their lot from their million pound houses full of Doultons. ( in-joke )

Oh, if you can’t ignore then sneer.

Above all don’t engage in any rational research that might challenge your political stance.?

Excellent point Peasblossom
The overfishing of our waters by fishing boats of other countries has been an issue for many years- long before Brexit was a twinkle in the EU’s eye.
Scottish fishermen have long despaired of seeing their livelihood destroyed by (particularly ) France and Spain and no doubt the same applied to the NE and Cornish fishermen.
Remember the Cod Wars when Iceland extended its exclusive fishing rights from 4 miles to 12 miles and ultimately 200 miles?
It seems we are the only country with no say over our own fishing waters
britishseafishing.co.uk/the-cod-wars/