Is Macron sabre rattling?

Monmouth might be in Wales now but it wasn't then.

OK, Calistemon. I take your point.

So what was all that stuff about 'Monmouths most famous son' about then? It 'sounded' like a claim that he was Welsh

Monmouth might be in Wales now but it wasn't then.

Some threads meander ... abit, a lot ...

And so does Monmouthshire, or at least the English/Welsh border has.
Some insist it's independent.

Some threads meander ... abit, a lot ...

some on the other hand ....

Yes Edward 11nd end in 1327 if correct was truly hideous,,but it is only legend, he could like Richard 11nd have been starved to death, on the other hand there is evidence that he was still alive in 1330. Who knows. I have a suspicion that his end was not pleasant to say the least!

Calistemon

MaizieD

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

Neither Jabberwok nor I have said he was Welsh.

Monmouth is in Wales now but that doesn't make him Welsh.

As Alegrias has just posted. She asked if Henry V was Welsh. Jabberwok and I both said he wasn't. So what was all that stuff about 'Monmouths most famous son' about then? It 'sounded' like a claim that he was Welsh...

The castles on the border were built by the Normans to keep out the marauding Welsh.

I thought he was Welsh, but I now know he's not, thanks to those who did know the truth of the matter.

It was the line in Henry V "for I am Welsh, you know". Shakespeare bending the truth again!

No wonder Edward 11 met an unfortunate end!!

And that is disputed too - if true it was horrendous!

Yes indeed Monmouth does celebrate Henry Vth as he was born there and was Prince of Wales on the accession of his father Henry 1Vth, but he was not Welsh. His mother was Mary de Bohun, daughter of the 7th Earl of Hereford. In fact he spent a lot of his youth gaining military experience by fighting the forces of Owain Glyndwr.

MaizieD

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

Neither Jabberwok nor I have said he was Welsh.

Monmouth is in Wales now but that doesn't make him Welsh.

Lucca

My historical knowledge is lamentable but is that “proud Edward” who was sent homewards “tae think again “ ?

Aye 'twas.

Question to Alegrias

My historical knowledge is lamentable but is that “proud Edward” who was sent homewards “tae think again “ ?

Calistemon

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Calling him 'Monmouth's most famous son' doesn't make him Welsh. Or does the fact that he was born there confer that honour?

Father was a Lancastrian king - of French descent and his mother was Mary De Bohun. Fine old Welsh name, de Bohun?

An unfortunate end indeed

Alegrias1, Sorry, my mistake I misread your post as 1214. I expect you were referring to Bannockburn 24th June 1314. A mighty well deserved victory for Scotland. No wonder Edward 11 met an unfortunate end!!

Jabberwok

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth

Monmouth's central marketplace is called Agincourt Square.
The square was given its name in the early 19th century to commemorate Monmouth’s most famous son, Henry V. A statue of Henry stands on the façade of the square’s Shire Hall, while a wall hanging depicting the King on horseback rallying the troops at Agincourt can be seen inside.

Might have helped the men in the small French fishing boats ...

*Josianne*
Students with degrees in Geography are some of the most employable. Our eldest son went down the scientific route.

One of ours went down that route, too, Josanne.

When he was doing his first degree,I remember someone sneering and asking how knowing where places were could possibly get him a decent job.
How little they knew of what a geography degree actually entails. Worse still was that the comment came from a retired teacher!

Love how this thread has meandered. ?

Kali2

Josianne

To be fair JRM did read History at Trinity College, Oxford. I guess we all gravitate towards our own learnings a bit to get a point across!

It would be more useful to him and the country if he had studied geography! Raab was also found missing in this department- and many here too who shout 'fight fight fight' like bad girls in the school yard.

That was Cheryl Cole I believe, in more ways than one Kali.
Actually the song is the background music for David Attenborough's The Mating Game which explores how animals keep their species reproducing. Quite apt really under the circumstances of Cop26 etc.

Didn’t Katherine of Aragon fight a war and win against the Scots?
At the time of Agincourt that is.

Whitewavemark
I don't think she was born then ?

Catherine de Valois married Henry V and became Queen of England.

Geography is actually one of the top degrees for research and analytical skills. Human geography might be good for politicians because it is a social science focusing on issues relating to human communities and cultures. What did Raab read at university anyway?
Students with degrees in Geography are some of the most employable. Our eldest son went down the scientific route.

Josianne

To be fair JRM did read History at Trinity College, Oxford. I guess we all gravitate towards our own learnings a bit to get a point across!

It would be more useful to him and the country if he had studied geography! Raab was also found missing in this department- and many here too who shout 'fight fight fight' like bad girls in the school yard.

I am a bit confused about the leaked text message. Macron asks if it is good or bad news about the submarine deal, but we don't have Morrison's reply? Isn't that the crux of the matter?