Owen Patterson and sleaze- a shameful day in the House

Barmeyoldbat

Urn the reason may well be that Johnson himself is under investigation on four different charges!

so, this is what it is all about ... watch this space!

So Paterson was Carrie's boss, and Doddie Harding was strongly linked to Mrs Paterson and racing, who .... this is MESSY, for sure.

It will all come out- and they will regret trying to hush it all up!

Don't forget the Cheltenham cup held as covid started taking hold and the fact that Hancock is MP for Newmarket.

GillT57

Don't forget the Cheltenham cup held as covid started taking hold and the fact that Hancock is MP for Newmarket.

I hadn't forgotten, but I didn't want to include him in the inner circle because it was already getting a bit complicated. I'm sure all these connections are coincidental anyway.

Love your sense or irony - coincidental, did you say?

I think the mistake Paterson made, when he said he would ‘do it again’ was that he thought the government were defending him for his sake and didn’t realise they were doing it to prevent Johnson from future/current investigations.

Protect not prevent….

I know people are saying Johnson has lost a lot of his political capital with voters - including some from his core vote. I wonder just how much he has lost with his MPs.

When he tries to force Conservative MPs to vote against their consciences, yet again, I would think they would be a lot less likely to do so than they have in the past and more likely to speak out.

Even a majority of 80 can start to seem less attractive if it is turned against you rather than the "party opposite".

I wonder if it’s the new MP’s that he thought would be yes men and women that are the ones developing a conscience? I haven’t seen the list yet of who voted which way.

Goodness did anyone watch Question Time tonight? Paul Scully had nothing but word salad to offer, he made as little sense as Boris’s asinine wafflings.

MayBee70

I wonder if it’s the new MP’s that he thought would be yes men and women that are the ones developing a conscience? I haven’t seen the list yet of who voted which way.

Here's the full list:

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/nov/04/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-owen-paterson-case

Careful with some of them ... some Labour and Conservatives were paired. I've also read (but can't confirm) that Rees-Mogg wouldn't allow proxy votes for 15 Labour MPs who genuinely couldn't attend.

There are 13 Tories who defied the Tory whip.

“the real motivation for a new standards committee stems from a fear of investigations into lobbying over the award of Covid contracts, and Johnson's loans from a Tory donor for the redecoration of his Downing Street flat.”

This is what must be pursued and there are definitely cases to answer here.

As a Tory voter, tin hat and body armour on, I think after this last awful fiasco, they might depose him,Boris, One never knows.

The trouble is that it isn’t just Johnson who is embroiled. In sleaze.

Look how many Tory MPs have been involved with mates and covid contracts.

The whole swamp ( to coin a phrase) needs emptying.

Our local MP has come in for some stinging criticism over all this. Her excuse for voting in favour of Paterson? She was told to! God, help us. Completely unable to think for herself and vote accordingly. I shall remember her come the next General Election. Trouble is I live in an area where a stuffed parrot wearing a blue rosette would win hands down.

Unfortunately voters will simply forget all this in time and continue to vote them in - or else simply become inured to it all and just shrug their shoulders and see it as part of a "normal" political system with immorality at its core.

Most have forgotten Boris trying to prorogue parliament for his own ends.

The bland assumption that politics is a dirty game and inherently corrupt gets ingrained in our thought processes and we forget to be outraged - because we know there is nothing we can do.

It is sickening really.

Lincsclass, there are hundreds and thousands of people like you, people who are being let down by this Tory administration. My parents were Conservative voters, in fact the majority of my extended family, but they voted for Conservative party values, for decency, for reward for hard work etc., and Johnson has let them, and all of you down, badly. I know that a lot of people voted for Johnson to 'get Brexit done' but that is another subject, I do not believe that anyone, knowingly, voted to make the country a mockery, a by word for lies, dishonesty, cheating, going back on one's word, this man Johnson and his cohorts have done shocking reputational damage to this country and irrespective of party affiliations, nobody can surely want to see him continue

Lincslass

As a Tory voter, tin hat and body armour on, I think after this last awful fiasco, they might depose him,Boris, One never knows.

Good to hear

In today’s Telegraph.

Well spoken GT57.
Interesting to see Teresa May voted against, but then I believe she could be counted on for strong morals, unlike the present incumbent.
Let's hope that the stronger Tory M.P.s push to get rid of him.
It was disgraceful to have the Whip, but then I don't think much of those who voted because they were " told to".
Wonder what Andrea Leadsom is thinking now as her name is linked, probably for ever,to the proposed committee.

It must have been difficult for Aaron Bell to stand up in parliament and say openly that he was voting against his own party. He knew they would make his life hell. But he is now on the right side of history. Total respect for the man.

westendgirl

Well spoken GT57.
Interesting to see Teresa May voted against, but then I believe she could be counted on for strong morals, unlike the present incumbent.
Let's hope that the stronger Tory M.P.s push to get rid of him.
It was disgraceful to have the Whip, but then I don't think much of those who voted because they were " told to".
Wonder what Andrea Leadsom is thinking now as her name is linked, probably for ever,to the proposed committee.

Did she vote against it or was she just paired with someone?

Theresa May actually abstained.

Whitewavemark2

The trouble is that it isn’t just Johnson who is embroiled. In sleaze.

Look how many Tory MPs have been involved with mates and covid contracts.

The whole swamp ( to coin a phrase) needs emptying.

I totally agree, but who of those who didn’t vote for this are willing to stand. Beginning to despair.

Good posts from Lincslass and GillT57.

We are more alike, my friends,
Than we are unalike.