Are we about to trigger Article 16?

I don't think a decision has been made.

Alegrias1

okay...

Because Brexit has made things worse for you, but NI have managed to keep some of the rules that were in place before Brexit, I don't think that can be called a benefit of Brexit for NI.

I agree. NI has retained the status quo for the moment - it's not a benefit.

Can someone provide a link please because I can't find anything reported about this.

CoolCoco

Breaking News - UK has backed down and removed the threat

Exactly what the UK has done over every redline, it just shows that “no deal is better than a bad deal” was just another lie amongst many.

CoolCoco

Breaking News - UK has backed down and removed the threat

Good news Coolcoco

okay...

Because Brexit has made things worse for you, but NI have managed to keep some of the rules that were in place before Brexit, I don't think that can be called a benefit of Brexit for NI.

growstuff

Alegrias1

As for the NI protocol, it’s one of the benefits of Brexit, just as I have had to change my contacts with Europe, those in NI have to change their trading routines.

Somebody's going to have to explain that to me...

Me too.

If I buy anything personally from any of the EU states I have to pay VAT twice, and if it has to be shipped it takes 3 times as long. So far this year it has cost me £3000, I don’t like that because if I lived in NI it would not have happened.
Maybe at some time in the future I may see a benefit.

Do you have a link CoolCoco?

Breaking News - UK has backed down and removed the threat

Alegrias1

^As for the NI protocol, it’s one of the benefits of Brexit, just as I have had to change my contacts with Europe, those in NI have to change their trading routines.^

Somebody's going to have to explain that to me...

Me too.

I don't believe the government will trigger it either. Too costly in many ways..

I still find it hard to believe that the EU was prepared to do this when it suited them, regardless of the effect it would have. Very hostile move.

The recent violence was totally condemned by the Unionist leader.

The UK government .

Wonder if causing troubles in NI was the reason the EU u turned on Article 16 over vaccines, with the purpose of stopping imports of such to NI and UK.Not notifying anyone of course. I don’t believe the Gov will do it.
news.sky.com/story/what-is-article-16-and-why-did-the-eu-make-a-u-turn-after-triggering-it-12202915

“And you won't care when the troubles start again - at how many dead will you start to 'care'- 10? 100? more?”

I’m not controlling the sectarian gangs, ask them wether they care how many, ask the Unionists.who are condoning this behavior.

Thanks Welshwife. Terrorist organisations are still active. Peace is indeed very fragile.

Lemongrove how embarrassing for them!

Nadateturbe - Taize music used for my favourite circle dance.

Sorry, it’s nadateturbe ( intriguing name)?

nataturbe....it was me that received their ganging up pm....
They mistakenly copied me in. Yes, it was nasty and immature of them, but I found it very funny.They went very quiet once they realised what had happened.?

I was and still am a Remainers and would much prefer we were still in the EU. But had I been unsure of which way to vote the threat to the GFA alone would have persuaded me to vote remain.
Britain/England has given the Irish people a great deal of grief and bad treatment over the years and the problems they had both north and south of the border for all those years was not worth risking returning to. I only saw a little of the problems via in-laws living in the south but I saw enough to never want to see that country live like that again.
The GFA was a long and hard battle and whatever else you may think of him Tony Blair did a great job getting agreement from both sides. Nothing is worth risking that in my opinion.
Britain has caused Ireland a border problem again and needs to be accommodating to ensure a peaceful result is obtained.

MerylStreep

Alegrias
do you think we’re stupid too
It did actually happen on GN. Some posters decided to gang up on another member but they mistakenly linked her into the PMs. Whoops ?

I just noticed this. What a nasty immature way to behave. (Sorry off topic.)

Katie59

I for one do not have any sympathy with the Unionist or Loyalist cause celebrating a battle 1690 over 300 yrs ago is just stupid. Whatever the so called cultural traditions are involved, it’s well past the time they changed, my brother served in NI during the troubles and still bears the scars.
The future for NI is as a region of the ROI, cross border trade has been free for many years to the benefit of both sides, so get on with it. Others have said “England doesn’t care”, I certainly don’t.

And you won't care when the troubles start again - at how many dead will you start to 'care'- 10? 100? more?

Some comments on this Forum really scare me recently. Sick, truly.

As for the NI protocol, it’s one of the benefits of Brexit, just as I have had to change my contacts with Europe, those in NI have to change their trading routines.

Somebody's going to have to explain that to me...

Sorry for this very brief response MaisieD. I have M.E. and little mental energy which is why I contribute so little. Yes, they voted against the deal because they believed it was still possibly harmful to the union.
I'm not a DUP supporter. Tbh I doubt their intelligence sometimes.

nadateturbe

Katie59 I see you have a good grasp of the problem. Thank you, appreciated. I have lived here 70 years so I needed you to explain.
And I am well aware that there are those who don't care about this part of the UK.

As soon as the Tories didnt need Unionist support they were ditched, there wasnt a national hue and cry, we just moved on. It’s not only that, there is a lingering negative uncertainty about NI, burning buses only reinforces that.
As for the NI protocol, it’s one of the benefits of Brexit, just as I have had to change my contacts with Europe, those in NI have to change their trading routines.

I'm a bit puzzled by the Unionists, though. Wasn't it them who scuppered May's deal, that would have kept all the UK in the customs Union and so eased the border problems?