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Keeping Royal Secrets

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Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 09:57:51

We are often told on here that despite the financial or democratic problems with the system, having a Royal Family provides continuity and something to fall back in in times of crisis, such as pandemics. So what do we think of this quote from the Sunday Herald this morning, regarding whether certain Royal papers should be released. In this case it should be noted that the papers already belong to belong to the tax payer but we’re not allowed to see the content.

Protecting the dignity of the Queen and working members of the royal family by protecting their privacy in truly private matters preserves their ability to discharge their duties in their fundamental and central constitutional role, not least of unifying the nations (as was seen during the depths of the current pandemic). Roger Smethurst, head of knowledge and information at the Cabinet Office.

On other words, if we know what they were really like in private, we’d never be taken in by their idealised images. They need to keep some things secret because they don’t fit with the image they want to portray.

Thoughts?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Nov-21 16:00:40

There must be a reason why wills are made public though. I have read it but buggered if I can remember at the moment.

Oh I know google!

MaizieD Sun 21-Nov-21 15:59:07

Chestnut

Well my parents' wills are sitting here with me, so they are not public property. I imagine many millions of other wills are not public property either.

I think that once they've been through probate the information on how much money they left is public. I don't know, though; I'm only familiar with the probate summaries available through genealogy sites.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:58:48

Chestnut

Well my parents' wills are sitting here with me, so they are not public property. I imagine many millions of other wills are not public property either.

? but anyone could ask for and be entitled to receive a copy.

I do know why it is law but my brain has packed up for the day, and only fit for chit chat?

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:58:02

Well we'll never know MaizieD. We little people can't possibly be trusted with the truth about the family that sit at the top of society wink

theworriedwell Sun 21-Nov-21 15:57:03

Chestnut

Well my parents' wills are sitting here with me, so they are not public property. I imagine many millions of other wills are not public property either.

I think they are when you submit them to the probate office, or something like that.

MaizieD Sun 21-Nov-21 15:56:35

But if you look at the quote from Roger Smethurst, he says that there are things that are private about the RF, that if they were not private, might make it difficult for them to fulfil their constitutional roles. So there is something we don’t know about them, that might make people pause and think that perhaps they are not the right people to be fulfilling the constitutional role that they are currently fulfilling.

Yes, I saw that in your earlier post, Alegrias, I'm just desperately trying to think of what this difficulty might be grin

Chestnut Sun 21-Nov-21 15:56:03

Well my parents' wills are sitting here with me, so they are not public property. I imagine many millions of other wills are not public property either.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:54:40

Chestnut

Whitewavemark2

Oldwoman70

Why would anyone be interested in what is in the Duke of Edinburgh's Will?

Well that isn’t the point. The law says that everyone’s will is public property EXCEPT the Sovereigns.

They should be upholders if the law as it is all done in the Sovereigns name.

Everyone's will is public property? How so?

It is the law.

theworriedwell Sun 21-Nov-21 15:54:28

Alegrias1

^I am curious to know just what 'secrets' Alegrias thinks are being kept from us.^

I don’t know MaizieD. They’re secrets. confused

But if you look at the quote from Roger Smethurst, he says that there are things that are private about the RF, that if they were not private, might make it difficult for them to fulfil their constitutional roles. So there is something we don’t know about them, that might make people pause and think that perhaps they are not the right people to be fulfilling the constitutional role that they are currently fulfilling.

But of course we are not allowed to know what that thing is. Its not a grown up way to run a country IMO.

Mountbatten thought a Mountbatten should be the head of the country so I'm not sure his views would be very balanced.

I know someone who has kept detailed diaries for decades and he has arranged with a trusted friend to burn them as soon as he dies. Seems like the 2nd best idea, the first being don't put it in writing or nowadays don't put it on the internet.

kircubbin2000 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:52:23

If the Kincora sex scandal is mentioned it may further be hushed up.

We don't really need to know.

theworriedwell Sun 21-Nov-21 15:51:27

Alegrias1

They provide the Head of State who can influence the government and the way the country is run with no input or scrutiny from the people.

That's how they impact on your life.

As for whether the other tittle tattle is of interest, there must be something there that would be important to see as the Cabinet Office et al have decided we can't see it because it would affect how the Queen is perceived.

Maybe the Cabinet Office think that stirring up a load of interest in an old diary will stop us thinking about things like sleaze in 2021 which I think is much more relevant.

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:50:40

Lucca and Namsnanny, ?

Chestnut Sun 21-Nov-21 15:50:28

Whitewavemark2

Oldwoman70

Why would anyone be interested in what is in the Duke of Edinburgh's Will?

Well that isn’t the point. The law says that everyone’s will is public property EXCEPT the Sovereigns.

They should be upholders if the law as it is all done in the Sovereigns name.

Everyone's will is public property? How so?

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 15:46:52

I am curious to know just what 'secrets' Alegrias thinks are being kept from us.

I don’t know MaizieD. They’re secrets. confused

But if you look at the quote from Roger Smethurst, he says that there are things that are private about the RF, that if they were not private, might make it difficult for them to fulfil their constitutional roles. So there is something we don’t know about them, that might make people pause and think that perhaps they are not the right people to be fulfilling the constitutional role that they are currently fulfilling.

But of course we are not allowed to know what that thing is. Its not a grown up way to run a country IMO.

Namsnanny Sun 21-Nov-21 15:42:11

Alegrias1

^o be fair any topic can have a back story and could be found interesting by some.^
So no need to denigrate.

Any need to ask posters if their lives are boring?

And I didn't pick moisturisers at random. Throwing stones in glass houses, so to speak?

I wondered about that Alegrias1 smile
But I have a dislike for degrading posters according to their choices. Whatever they may be.
I do think it was a bit argumentative to refer to your life as possibly being boring.
But guessing it
A) was unlikely and
B) You usually cope pretty well (as is evident in this case) with 'excitable' posters and their comments.

MaizieD Sun 21-Nov-21 15:36:26

hollysteers

DillytheGardener Aveline is referring to Mountbatten, not Prince Philip and I suspect the references were to his alleged bisexuality, marriage and affairs.

I'm not sure how this information (which has been known for along time) has anything to do with whether or not the RF is 'up to the job'. Or is it just a diversion from the OP?

I am curious to know just what 'secrets' Alegrias thinks are being kept from us. What could possibly make the RF unfit for the job? could they be even worse than our current PM?

M0nica Sun 21-Nov-21 14:51:12

What idealized image?

Would you like to have every minute detail of your life filmed, conmented upon scross itnernational media. Of course they aree ntitled to some privacy and to be allowed to keep some parts of their life private.

People seem to be more concerned about zoo animals having privacy than granting any to the RF.

Lucca Sun 21-Nov-21 14:47:09

lemsip

Alegrias1

is your own life boring?

A. I bet it isn’t
B. That’s rather a rude comment/question. Would you say that to someone in RL ?

Aveline Sun 21-Nov-21 14:46:02

hollysteers correct!

hollysteers Sun 21-Nov-21 14:38:47

DillytheGardener Aveline is referring to Mountbatten, not Prince Philip and I suspect the references were to his alleged bisexuality, marriage and affairs.

Grandmagrim Sun 21-Nov-21 14:34:54

Everyone, regardless of who they are, is entitled to privacy. As far as Louis Mountbatten goes if he sold his diaries he was giving tacit approval for them to be studied by anyone with an interest in his ramblings/life. We are not responsible for mistakes our antecedents made, so why should the current royals be.

DillytheGardener Sun 21-Nov-21 14:32:17

Aveline what was the “reference to an aspect of his life that I suspect the royal family might not want generally known ” I’m curious, is it Penny what’s her name?

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 14:16:03

o be fair any topic can have a back story and could be found interesting by some.
So no need to denigrate.

Any need to ask posters if their lives are boring?

And I didn't pick moisturisers at random. Throwing stones in glass houses, so to speak?

Namsnanny Sun 21-Nov-21 14:10:50

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

lemsip

Alegrias1

is your own life boring?

Are you for real?

Guess I should just stick to comments about, oh, I don't know ....moisturisers?

I purchased a Liz Earle moisturiser on Friday that I am very pleased with (other makes are available) ??

I find the topic of moisturisers quite fascinating, as I make my own.
Using coconut oil (solid), shea butter, beezwax, essential oils (sometimes) and jojoba (sometimes).
All organic.

I also add nettle, chamomile, calendula, or any other herbs in season, depending on they type of cream I need.

To be fair any topic can have a back story and could be found interesting by some.
So no need to denigrate.

Aveline Sun 21-Nov-21 13:43:31

I read a very thorough biography of Mountbatten. The writer clearly had access to a great deal of source material and to people there at the time. It certainly wasn't all a very rosy picture but seemed to be a fair one. His life are career was presented warts and all. There was reference to an aspect of his life that I suspect the royal family might not want generally known but would be no big deal these days.