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Keeping Royal Secrets

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Alegrias1 Sun 21-Nov-21 09:57:51

We are often told on here that despite the financial or democratic problems with the system, having a Royal Family provides continuity and something to fall back in in times of crisis, such as pandemics. So what do we think of this quote from the Sunday Herald this morning, regarding whether certain Royal papers should be released. In this case it should be noted that the papers already belong to belong to the tax payer but we’re not allowed to see the content.

Protecting the dignity of the Queen and working members of the royal family by protecting their privacy in truly private matters preserves their ability to discharge their duties in their fundamental and central constitutional role, not least of unifying the nations (as was seen during the depths of the current pandemic). Roger Smethurst, head of knowledge and information at the Cabinet Office.

On other words, if we know what they were really like in private, we’d never be taken in by their idealised images. They need to keep some things secret because they don’t fit with the image they want to portray.

Thoughts?

MissAdventure Mon 22-Nov-21 18:31:11

He can live the life of riley with his own wealth.
I think it's reasonable for the royals to be transparent in their dealings, in case anyone might suspect that it isnt only their own money they spend.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:30:35

Keep trying though, it's entertaining

You asked for thoughts but, of course, it's a way of goading other posters if they give an opinion.

I'll just bugger off.

MissAdventure Mon 22-Nov-21 18:28:52

He's the only royal, though.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:28:46

MissAdventure

Because he ha enjoyed all the trappings of his families wealth up until recently, and probably still does.
I think of "the royals" collectively, a bit like a firm, to quote a certain person.

I think 'the firm' has far fewer employees now.

Don't forget they have independent wealth, why should he not benefit from private wealth even if we don't like it?

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 18:27:04

I doubt Andrew is the only person who facing alleged allegations hasn’t been thrown onto the streets.

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 18:25:15

Calistemon

^not least of unifying the nations^
Of course, the Sunday Herald is pro Scottish independence. They will dislike anything or anyone who wants unity of the UK.

You clearly don't know the Herald on Sunday grin which is a different publication.

Obsession with SNP disasters, especially ferry-based ones.

Keep trying though, it's entertaining. It was also reported in that well known separatist rag, the Telegraph.

MissAdventure Mon 22-Nov-21 18:23:11

Because he ha enjoyed all the trappings of his families wealth up until recently, and probably still does.
I think of "the royals" collectively, a bit like a firm, to quote a certain person.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:20:09

Prince Andrew is a red herring.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:19:46

not least of unifying the nations
Of course, the Sunday Herald is pro Scottish independence. They will dislike anything or anyone who wants unity of the UK.

Allsorts Mon 22-Nov-21 18:15:04

I don’t think the parents are responsible for someone becoming such a pervert, sex with underage girls procured by your friend is disgusting, he’s old enough to know it’s wrong, he had his own girls that age, I wonder what kind of father it makes you. What I do find reprehensible is their family sheltering them to avoid justice, if one of us did that we would be imprisoned for perverting the course of justice I would have thought. None of them should be above the law.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:14:49

Perhaps he drank cherry brandy at school, theworriedwell.

As Andrew will not become our monarch, our constitutional head, what does this matter?

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 18:13:18

Neither do I maddy but someone thinks it’s relevant

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:12:33

Calistemon

He was 19, I think, perhaps he was a very quiet, naïve teenager.
hmm

Well of course teenagers can misbehave but I'm assuming he was at school till 18 so I just can't imagine what would be so sensational about him in Mountbatten's diaries. I think he was more focused on Philip and Charles, I bet Andrew wasn't high on his priority list. Although Andrew is obviously a target now.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:12:25

maddyone

I don’t think the Queen, Charles, or William can be held responsible for whatever Andrew did/does.

I agree.

'I am not my brother's keeper'.

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 18:11:05

I don’t think the Queen, Charles, or William can be held responsible for whatever Andrew did/does.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:10:22

theworriedwell

MissAdventure

How about Andrew?

Andrew would have been a teenager when Mountbatten died wouldn't he? He can't have had much dirt on him.

My post was in answer to this one.

Caro57 Mon 22-Nov-21 18:09:30

It’s none of our business. So long as the job is done I don’t expect my ‘dirty laundry’ - or anyone else’s - to be aired in public

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 18:09:27

He was 19, I think, perhaps he was a very quiet, naïve teenager.
hmm

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 18:08:42

The Queen, Charles and William are responsible for the alleged actions of Andrew ?

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:07:25

Anniebach

What could William’s terrible secret be

I'm not sure if I've got timelines wrong but wasn't William born after Mountbatten died?

theworriedwell Mon 22-Nov-21 18:05:09

MissAdventure

How about Andrew?

Andrew would have been a teenager when Mountbatten died wouldn't he? He can't have had much dirt on him.

Calistemon Mon 22-Nov-21 17:57:09

Thoughts

To whom do private diaries belong?
To whom do private letters belong?

If the author, then who owns these documents after the author has died?

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 17:54:58

I tried Mr Google to establish exactly who might be my second cousin once removed, or third cousin twice removed, or first twice removed or, or, or! I ended up about three times as confused as I was before I started. I don’t know who my second cousin once removed is, or indeed who is the second cousin once removed of the Queen.

By the way, I agree with Alegrias.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Nov-21 17:54:57

Well I think we can discount his being illegitimate given his looks Annie. Though I know you weren’t suggesting that. Some posters would doubtless have enjoyed the old position of Groom of the Stool!

Anniebach Mon 22-Nov-21 17:49:14

What could William’s terrible secret be